Concerning Peace's Promiscuity

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jwdykes
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Concerning Peace's Promiscuity

Post: # 73664Post jwdykes
Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:12 am

Why were breeders so drawn to Peace in the first place, and why did it become so ridiculously popular? Are there any alternate routes yet to be taken with its ancestors?

Jwindha
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Re: Concerning Peace's Promiscuity

Post: # 73665Post Jwindha
Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:21 am

The reference tab for ‘Peace’ on HelpMeFind may answer your question. ‘Peace’ has a very dramatic history and people love a good story

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.2203&tab=7

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Don
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Re: Concerning Peace's Promiscuity

Post: # 73669Post Don
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:16 pm

Peace wasn't all that successful as a breeder. The contemporary Fashion has many more descendants.

The use of Peace by hybridizers correlates with it's popularity which correlates with the timing of its introduction at the beginning of the post-WWII housing boom. Conard Pyle and Jackson Perkins had just developed the mail order market for roses and had the promotional juggernaut American Rose Society firmly in their grasp.

>> Are there any alternate routes yet to be taken with its ancestors?

The stated ancestry of Peace may not be correct. Somewhere on this site there is a discussion about it. The monograph on Peace at helpmefind.com also has comments in this regard.

If Souvenir de Claudius Pernet is, indeed, a grandparent of Peace then one alternate route has already given us Fashion:

Souvenir de Claudius Pernet > Julien Potin > Golden Rapture > Pinocchio > Fashion
What doesn't kill them makes them stronger.

pacificjade
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Re: Concerning Peace's Promiscuity

Post: # 73677Post pacificjade
Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:40 pm

I can partially answer this.

First, Peace had foliage with stronger resistance to downy than usual, and its stems had a higher resistance to winter fungal diseases, than what was typically available then. Second, most yellows were horrendous in many ways then. Yes, it was lighter, but it had a pink edge. Third, it bloomed more reliably than most HTs of that time. Fourth, it could produce colors many did not, because it both yellow and red backgrounds, and it had ambiguous color layers. Last, the petals were large and round. Something lost modern roses lost when the HPerpetual fad died out.

In other words, it was good enough and useful, but not perfect.

And then there is the symbolism from WW2, but that's another aspect unrelated to its traits.

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