i. d. Hugonis?

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mntlover
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i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 72999Post mntlover
Sun May 23, 2021 7:53 pm

I was wondering if anyone could i.d. this rose for me. It is a yellow species rose that was given to me. I was guessing Hugonis or Xanthia?
Also, does anyone have experience working with these in either direction?
Thanks!
Duane
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Plazbo
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73003Post Plazbo
Tue May 25, 2021 4:49 am

It's one of them but unsure which, i'd have to go look at the various seed grown plants to remember the differences.

Not much experience using either way or rather not any significant result (too early, maybe in a few years as I am actively attempting), germination when used as seed parent is typically 2nd season compared to 1st though.

mntlover
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73006Post mntlover
Wed May 26, 2021 8:16 am

Thank you!
Since it is in bloom I went ahead and placed pollens on it to test.
I will definitely focus on using its pollen then to see if I can get seeds that will germinate first year.
Duane

mntlover
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73008Post mntlover
Wed May 26, 2021 8:48 am

Someone on instagram mentioned Canary Bird, so I was looking at it. It is listed as hugonis x xanthia.
Reading about it and then about hugonis and xanthia as well, I must admit I am more confused than before.
One thing I did notice is that xanthia is listed as once blooming, but the other two add scattered repeat.
Does anyone know for sure which of these is the most cold hardy? Or how they compare to one another?
Thanks!
Duane

shoy
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73013Post shoy
Wed May 26, 2021 7:57 pm

Kim Rupert has done some great breeding with Hugonis. Lots of posts w/ pix on Paul Zimmerman FB page. I grow both here in GA and flowers in your photos look awfully large compared to mine.
Stephen
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rikuhelin1
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73014Post rikuhelin1
Wed May 26, 2021 9:46 pm

Grew Hugonis and agree flowers look large. I grow R. xanthina (normalis) but new (1winter). When it blooms l will be interested to compare against your photos - reputable source and living up to its reputation as very winter hardy on prairies - not a bit of winter kill and even lives in Saskatchewan l am told by a very knowledgeable Prairie rosarian.

I don’t believe it is Ormiston Roy or R. ecae. Grew a “not Canary Bird” but blooms too small

Whatever it is, its a good one for yellow and bloom size..
Riku

mntlover
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73018Post mntlover
Thu May 27, 2021 12:06 pm

Thanks for the info!
I will see if I get any repeat from it this year, although there was none last season after I had received it.
Our winter was very mild, in which it was hardy to the tips. He said it had lasted several winters previously, so must be fairly hardy.
Duane

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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73023Post shoy
Thu May 27, 2021 10:06 pm

My R. xanthina. Flowers are approximately 2" in diameter, maybe a little less. Blooms from this year.
Stephen
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mntlover
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73024Post mntlover
Thu May 27, 2021 11:51 pm

Thanks! I went out and measured: they are fairly consistent at 2.25 inches.
I can't remember the smell, but it seemed there was a distinct fragrance when I was gathering pollen from them. It wasn't normal rose fragrance and might even have come from the stamens.
Duane

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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73025Post roseseek
Fri May 28, 2021 12:50 am

I don't know how to tell you to determine the difference between Hugonis and Xanthina. My Hugonis was identified by Ralph Moore. I lost it, but not before creating 1-72-1Hugonis, which I appear to be in the process of losing. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.62658 My Xanthina came from seed Dr. David Byrne from TAMU brought back from China for me. From 1-72-1Hugonis, I have raised 1-72-1Hugonis flore plena. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.73967.0 There is also another double from 1-72-1Hugonis with fewer petals than flore plena, thinner wood, also prickle-free and a larger shrub. It's not on HMF, yet. The third double is Ping Dong Yue Ji X 1-72-1Hugonis. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.73968.0

This is the double not on HMF.
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Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

johannesp
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73032Post johannesp
Fri May 28, 2021 2:06 pm

I got ‘Canary Bird’ seed from a seed house, it does have some juvenile rebloom. The plants are more or less hardy. It has a strange smell on the leaves resin like. This I am not sure about. I have crosses of Fru Dagmar Hustrup x pollen mix donated from a few of you folk (again Thank you). The seedling of this cross are prone to BS if I remember.

mntlover
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73035Post mntlover
Fri May 28, 2021 9:42 pm

I like the double. Love that last one! Great to see what is possible. Thank you!
Duane

rikuhelin1
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Re: i. d. Hugonis?

Post: # 73081Post rikuhelin1
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:03 pm

R. xanthina (normalis) blooms today, easy 2” inch diameter and after 1 year super hardy (and based on prairie growing history).
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