Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

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Jwindha
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 72690Post Jwindha
Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:33 pm

roseseek wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:13 pm
Do I understand all of that to mean that after all the tens of millions they threw at that "project", it resulted in pretty much nothing? Not a blue rose nor a rose which should help produce other odd colors through breeding? What a bummer!
I'm sure they were delighted that the transgenes aren't heritable. This not only greatly reduces the risk of environmental escape (and eases the severity of certain regulations), but also allows them to corner the market on "blue" roses (since the transformation process is replicable in other varieties they may have traditionally bred).

jrichardson
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 72694Post jrichardson
Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:17 am

I would not be inclined to buy a rose I could not use to hybridize with. My space is too limited for that. Thanks for the heads up.

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roseseek
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 72695Post roseseek
Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:22 am

Same here, and just as importantly, I won't support that behavior by giving them my money. The dollar in my hand is one of my most valuable "votes". It is THE one which counts. People can and will say anything, but it's what they put their money behind that does and says it all.
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Don
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 72696Post Don
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:07 pm

>> I'm sure they were delighted that the transgenes aren't heritable.

The chimerism may not have simply been fortuitous.

The original engineering for the blue rose occurred more than two decades ago iirc. Assuming the transformation was heritable, how difficult would it be to subsequently create a chimera using the transformed tissue?
What doesn't kill them makes them stronger.

paul.barden
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 72787Post paul.barden
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:23 am

roseseek wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:22 am
Same here, and just as importantly, I won't support that behavior by giving them my money. The dollar in my hand is one of my most valuable "votes". It is THE one which counts. People can and will say anything, but it's what they put their money behind that does and says it all.
Quite right. We don't need no replay of the Percy Schmeiser drama in our corner of horticulture. This kind of engineering should be discouraged.

Rosesbydesign
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 73099Post Rosesbydesign
Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:11 am

I have loved reading the many thoughts about the utility patent for PKO. I hope that someone does try breeding it with ‘Applause’. It would be an interesting experiment to cross it both ways… ;)

dgermeys
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 73190Post dgermeys
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:30 pm

So... when will we know if the utility patent is granted or is the application going to be withdrawn after all? Anyone who knows more?
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 73266Post pacificjade
Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:15 am

[quote=dgermeys post_id=73190 time=1627677045 user_id=1972]
So... when will we know if the utility patent is granted or is the application going to be withdrawn after all? Anyone who knows more?
[/quote]

The last round of responses by the USPTO was pretty damning of the utility application. It is unclear whether the final utility patent will be a severely neutered version or if it will be rejected completely. The claims had too many hurdles and rules to overcome that could not be argued out of. I would consider this application as an expensive fact-finding mission in order to push the envelope.

What is strange to me, especially as millenials increase in purchasing power, is how brazenly bold Star Roses is to state to the world they are doing this type process when it is heavily frowned upon by the public in similar instances.

david zlesak
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 73269Post david zlesak
Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:17 pm

Dear Pacificjade,

Is there a link for us to read the responses? Thanks for the update.

pacificjade
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Re: Petite Knock Out Rose - AVOID

Post: # 73270Post pacificjade
Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm

[quote="david zlesak" post_id=73269 time=1630286262 user_id=1698]
Dear Pacificjade,

Is there a link for us to read the responses? Thanks for the update.
[/quote]

No, but it can be viewed through the USPTO through the appropriate channels. The entire history of interactions over that application is there.

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