Starfish effect

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shoy
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Starfish effect

Post: # 60174Post shoy
Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:08 pm

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Just noticed this this morning. From the first bloom of one of last year's seedlings.
Stephen Hoy
Singularly Beautiful Roses
Warner Robins, GA

cathymess
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Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60175Post cathymess
Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:13 pm

This is an interesting petal shape. Did either parent have this petal shape, or ruffled petals?

Cathy
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Cathy
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Karl K
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Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60185Post Karl K
Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:12 am

I have seen scalloped petals on some roses that normally don't have them. 'Ellen Willmott' is an example.
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Rose_Pict ... lmott.html

And on June 27, 2000, 'Crimson Glory' and 'Mission Bells' joined 'Ellen Willmott' in looking especially fancy.

roseseek
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Location: Zone 9b Central California, Sunset Zone 15

Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60191Post roseseek
Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:12 pm

You also have the famous scalloped petaled, "Oak Leaf seedling" pictured in Philips and Rix' "The Quest for the Rose". Carolyn Supinger, of Sequoia Nursery, said people would write and call her for years inquiring about that seedling. Ironically, it had never before, or since, that photograph, demonstrated scalloping of the petals. Later, Mr. Moore did raise a few which had more scalloped petals, but nothing to that extent. I'm finding some of the Art Nouveau seedlings to have really quite decent plants with healthy, attractive foliage and excellent vigor to have truly awful flowers. When there are petals, this has lovely color, but the flowers look like this most of the time. I've also seen the heavy scalloping in Ellen Willmott.
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But, then one comes out like this..
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Nothing had eaten the malformed blooms. They simply didn't form the other petals as well as they did the few almost formed ones.
Kim
California Central Coast
USDA Zone 9b
Sunset Zone 15
Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

jbergeson
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Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60192Post jbergeson
Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:16 pm

Very interesting, Kim! I can't wait to use Art Nouveau. I think it would be fun to plant a ton of OP seed from that deformed seedling.

roseseek
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Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60197Post roseseek
Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:44 pm

Would you like the seedling, Joe? I can easily bare root and send it to you? Otherwise, I'm going to cull it. It's going to be later this year before the yard will be in any shape to plant in the soil. 300+ canned roses are way too many to mess with, so culling is being accomplished rather ruthlessly.
Kim
California Central Coast
USDA Zone 9b
Sunset Zone 15
Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

lafllin
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Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60201Post lafllin
Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:22 pm

Well kim when they turn out like that it's totally worth it :D

jbergeson
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Re: Starfish effect

Post: # 60202Post jbergeson
Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:08 pm

Kim, thank you.... despite my initial enthusiasm I think i'd better pass and work with Art Nouveau directly.

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