Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

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Rob Byrnes
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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 58679Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:50 pm

Karl,

It just seems odd that none of his roses have survived in commerce or are listed in someone's garden on HMF. I wish there had been more disclosed/published about the miniature F1 from White Mountains. The possibilities for that one fascinates me.

Rob

roseseek
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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 58685Post roseseek
Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:44 pm

Not really odd at all, Rob. Many who have created neat sounding roses either too jealously held on to them so they never saw the light of day outside of their gardens or didn't sufficiently spread them far enough to insure their survival. Louis Stoddard created some really interesting sounding Arkansana hybrids which also appear lost. Much has been accomplished. Unfortunately, too little of it survives. That was Ralph Moore's greatest fear.
Kim
California Central Coast
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Rob Byrnes
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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 58702Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:03 pm

That make sense Kim. I'm coming from a point of view that I want to spread mine far and wide. ;-)

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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 58703Post roseseek
Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:52 pm

Agreed. Not only obscure, "extinct" things I unearth, but things of my own I hope others might enjoy and find useful. It is honestly quite a thrill to see your "babies" travel more widely than you have. I received notice recently they've traveled from The Netherlands to New Zealand and to a private collector in Japan.
Kim
California Central Coast
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Sunset Zone 15
Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

Rob Byrnes
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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 58704Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:35 pm

That's awesome Kim! I can only hope some of mine travel likewise. :-)

roseseek
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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 58705Post roseseek
Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:40 pm

Thank you! It wouldn't have happened had it not been for Bierkreek.
Kim
California Central Coast
USDA Zone 9b
Sunset Zone 15
Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

SeasideRooftop
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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 74566Post SeasideRooftop
Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:45 am

I keep coming back to this very informative thread even though it's an old one.
Also, I keep browsing HMF as well as nursery websites for rugosa hybrids that might be useful towards my goal.

@SalixGoclon, I know it was ages ago but you said :
"Darn. What I really want is a thornless mini with crinkled leaves."
I don't know where you are based or if this is still of interest to you, but I found Short Track which seems to fit that description to a T :
https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62274
Available from several nurseries in Europe, don't know about elsewhere.

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Re: Rugosas - Why the lack of breeding activity?

Post: # 74576Post pacificjade
Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:13 am

Lotty's Love is pretty short for a rugosa. White Roadrunner is a true dwarf rugosa. LL is commercially sold still. WR is sold at Freedom Gardens, but you have to order in advance.

I like them both quite a bit. They don't eat up my space and they're cute.

Both a prickly things, of course.

There is also 1 or 2 semi-dwarf Bugnet rugosas out there. I had one of the rare ones, but unfortunately left behind in a relationship. RIP lol

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