Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

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Rob Byrnes
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Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

Post: # 50931Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:37 am

Healthy, fertility, ploidy?
Rob Byrnes

Historic Village of Roebling, NJ Zone 7a
On the right bank of the Delaware River

mwesson
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Re: Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

Post: # 73720Post mwesson
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:32 pm

Has anyone worked with Borderer since Rob posted the initial query?

Mark

roseseek
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Re: Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

Post: # 73723Post roseseek
Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:32 pm

The photos make it seem as if it would make a splendid weeper.
Kim
California Central Coast
USDA Zone 9b
Sunset Zone 15
Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

MidAtlas
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Re: Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

Post: # 73727Post MidAtlas
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:52 pm

I'm fairly certain that I received this one from Rogue Valley, but I recall that it had disappointing disease resistance (either black spot or something similar); I'm not sure if it's still with me, but I don't think I still have it. I did not try to use it in any crosses.

Stefan

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Re: Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

Post: # 73787Post pacificjade
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:59 am

I had once considered this rose because its bred from a rose that likely can pass on some race resistance, and its a short diploid. However, I grew Belinda's Dream a long time ago, and it was such a mess in this climate. Truly sad. I also got the feeling it might be prone to downy, so I took a pass at the gamble.

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Re: Can anyone comment on 'Borderer'?

Post: # 73798Post MidAtlas
Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:03 pm

Belinda's Dream was no dream for me in the Mid-Atlantic, either. I've tried it twice and had the same result each time. On the other hand, I know someone who gardens in a nearby town who had no issues with it whatsoever... I would imagine that it boils down to the disease strains we've accumulated. We had a nearly identical experience with Francis Meilland. From a breeding standpoint, I'm glad to have the kind of strain diversity and climate that can seriously challenge the black spot resistance of most roses, but it can be frustrating as a gardener.

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