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Surprising hardiness

Post: # 67887Post jbergeson
Mon May 21, 2018 11:12 pm

I have a seedling is the result of crossing Prairie Joy with Kim Rupert's Orangeade x R. nitida ("Orantida").

It is showing live wood four or feet in the air.

Prairie Joy itself is not nearly that hardy. I would estimate 8" of live wood on PJ after this winter.

I never tested Orantida outside.

If Orangeade is a tetraploid then Orantida should be a triploid with 1/3 R. nitida...so it is surprising to me that the hardiness of R. nitida was passed on to the next generation.

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Post: # 67890Post johannesp
Wed May 23, 2018 8:47 pm

Rose natida is marginal for my zone 2 gardenink

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Post: # 67913Post Rob Byrnes
Sun May 27, 2018 11:55 pm

I really like Orantida. It’s about to bloom any day now. I especially like the leaf color in autumn. I have some OP F1, a Cape Diamond x Orantida and an Orange Surprise x Orantida seedlings. I look forward to seeing first blooms. Have you had first blooms on your cross with Prairie Joy yet?
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Re: Surprising hardiness

Post: # 67914Post jbergeson
Mon May 28, 2018 7:24 am

Yeah, this shrub blooms. Semi-dbl pink if I remember correctly.

Prairie Joy doesn't always donate reblooming genes, so with its unknown potential for passing on rebloom I'm slow to use this one.

This is also the seedling that has bristles arranged in an interesting spiral pattern up some of the stems.

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Post: # 68927Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:19 pm

jbergeson wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:12 pm
I have a seedling is the result of crossing Prairie Joy with Kim Rupert's Orangeade x R. nitida ("Orantida").

It is showing live wood four or feet in the air.

Prairie Joy itself is not nearly that hardy. I would estimate 8" of live wood on PJ after this winter.

I never tested Orantida outside.

If Orangeade is a tetraploid then Orantida should be a triploid with 1/3 R. nitida...so it is surprising to me that the hardiness of R. nitida was passed on to the next generation.
Joe,

How is your Prairie Joy x Orantida seedling doing?
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Post: # 68929Post jbergeson
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:01 pm

Hi Rob,

It did well this last summer. That post was from last spring, and it grew fine throughout the summer. It is not a repeat bloomer, so I don't really know what to do with it in terms of breeding.

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Post: # 68930Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:32 pm

Is it fairly clean Joe?
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Post: # 68933Post jbergeson
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:39 am

My remembrance is of good health, Rob.

This is also the seedling, about which I posted a couple of years back, that has a unique candy-cane spiral pattern of prickles on some stems.

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Post: # 68934Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:41 am

Maybe repeat bloom in a next generation? 😊
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Re: Surprising hardiness

Post: # 68935Post jbergeson
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:09 pm

That's my problem, Rob. Prairie Joy passes on repeat bloom to perhaps a minority of its seedlings. There is no way to tell whether this seedling received the repeating genes from that side. Also no way to tell if it got any repeating genes from the Orantida side. So I think the odds are somewhat against getting repeat bloom in the first generation from this plant. Now that you mention it, I might try pollinating it with one of my seedlings that seems to pass on good repeating genes and see what happens. I'd be happy to try to make a copy of this one for you this summer.

Attached are a couple of photos that I found. Couldn't find a blossom pic...it's a semi-double medium pink. The fall color pic was taken in October this fall...seems pretty healthy. It never has a huge quantity of blooms, and you can tell that by the relatively sparse hip display.
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Post: # 68938Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:35 pm

Thanks for posting those pics Joe. It's a great looking plant. Very healthy looking and great autumn color. Crossing it with one of your more generously blooming seedlings may get some repeat out of it. If you can get a stick to root I'd welcome a go with it.

I have a Cape Diamond x Orantida that had its first season last summer. Nothing to tell about it yet other than it's very disease resistant so far. If it does well, I may need to send a copy your way. Getting repeat genes from Orantida side is the unknown right now. I'm excited to see what comes of it.
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Re: Surprising hardiness

Post: # 68959Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:47 pm

Joe,

Have you grown Orantida outside through winter and if so, how did it do? Thanks!
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Re: Surprising hardiness

Post: # 68979Post jbergeson
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:21 pm

Rob,

No, sorry. I didn't expose it to a winter and no longer have it.

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