When hardiness isn't an issue...

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When hardiness isn't an issue...

Post: # 69974Post roseseek
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:25 am

You have a lot more latitude over what you can use. This one exploded out of last year's seedlings. It quickly grew through the top screen (two feet above the soil level) and began pushing its flowers into the neighbor's ceanothus which overhangs the fence. This year, look what it's doing! The parentage is Blue for You X (First Impression X April Mooncrest). This is some cresting; there are MANY petals. It's quite photo tropic and there is a hefty level of fruity scent. I love the vigor and foliage. and I hope there will be more cresting to the sepals with maturity. Not bad for being in the middle of its second season and trapped in a five gallon can! There are photos with natural light and flash to show its true colors.
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Kim
California Central Coast
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Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

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Re: When hardiness isn't an issue...

Post: # 69975Post philip_la
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:47 am

Kim, that one is absolutely gorgeous!
I'm guessing that one would be a white rose in a greenhouse setting? I could see a lot of potential uses as a florist's rose...
Climber? Shrub? Long cutting stems for each spray?
Congrats, Kim. Fun stuff!
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[size=small][color=#669966]Zone 8 / Sunset Zn 30 (Austin, TX -- formerly New Orleans, LA)[/color][/size]

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Post: # 69976Post roseseek
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:59 am

Thanks, Philip! My guess is grandiflora/shrub. Opening flowers today were pink with white reverse, until the sun burned them darker pink and purple. I think there would be long stems for cutting, IF the plant had root room in the ground.
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Re: When hardiness isn't an issue...

Post: # 69978Post philip_la
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:16 am

So I did see those colors correctly. The burning to a color other than a shade of red is what surprised me looking at the photos. I wonder if the hues change with the temperatures? I could imagine from the overtones I'm perceiving, it might be more mauve in cooler weather. (I have no idea why I'm presuming it might be relatively warm where you are now...)

I don't know if a malleable rose would be a florists dream, or their nightmare. (I can imagine the troubles when the rose a client orders isn't the color they expect...) Regardless, I think it's darned cool, and hope it will prove very floriferous and highly resistant to diseases!
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Post: # 69979Post roseseek
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:24 am

Thanks! It's still "cool" here. We've only had two or three days of 75 - 77 here so far this YEAR. Our daily temps have been in the mid sixties to very low seventies with nights to the mid fifties. We've also had quite a bit of "May Gray" and "June Gloom". It's been the brilliance of the sun with its heat that's done the color shift, not actual "heat". Even when the "heat" is higher here, it's only in the direct sun. The air and breeze feel refrigerated due to the ocean air flow.
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Post: # 69984Post philip_la
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:23 am

Ah... You live in one of *those* climates. (Okay... I'm not jealous...)
Still a beautiful rose, but I would imagine more pink, if not a frying dark pink, in something like my climate. Mind you, if you want me to give it a whirl for you to confirm... ;-)
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Post: # 69985Post roseseek
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:31 am

Thank you! Whenever you are ready and able to root cuttings...
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Post: # 69987Post philip_la
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:59 pm

LOL! I didn't actually expect you to take me up on it, Kim! I would love to trial it, but unfortunately the only realty I have that is amenable to growing roses is in the front yard of my small lot, which is not secure. I'm sure that I'm a little neurotic about such, but I tend to think of TX as rose-rustler central, and I have been very reluctant to take on the responsibility of caring for another breeder's proprietary material in a garden that I consider insecure. (...Although, unlike my house in New Orleans, where a neighbor reported a "florist's" van once drove up beside my bushes, and the driver cut all my roses, I have never seen any sign of anyone ever so much as picking a flower or anything here... yet.)

I do think it's a very interesting and striking plant, Kim.
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Post: # 69988Post roseseek
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:52 pm

Thanks, Philip, and should you change your mind... These shots were just taken a little while ago. We're having our first "heat wave" of the year. It's to be mid eighties here and triple digits forty miles away. There is actually a "heat warning"!
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The above are the Blue for You X (First Impression X April Mooncrest). These are Blue for You X April Mooncrest.
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Art Nouveau X (First Impression X April Mooncrest). Anything change your mind.....?
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Post: # 69991Post Don
Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:38 pm

®Bleeding Madras?
What doesn't kill them makes them stronger.

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Re: When hardiness isn't an issue...

Post: # 70010Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:30 am

I love this one Kim. Well done!
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Re: When hardiness isn't an issue...

Post: # 70011Post roseseek
Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:39 pm

Thanks, Rob!
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