First germination of the winter

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68943Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:38 am

I like your goals. I'm a fan of Autumn Sunset and hope you get something nice from that cross!
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68945Post Larry Davis
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:34 pm

Usually I don't discuss germinations because so often I find nothing worth talking about at bloom time, or disease testing time in the next summer. But today I planted out 4 dozen seedlings that had sprouted in their stratification mix (vemiculite-calcium nitrate) after about 4-5 mo in the frig. They are interesting to me at least because the pollen donor is either Above and Beyond, or my #1100 a similar colored once-blooming shrub derived from Carefree Copper which in turn is from Austrian copper. so they ought to have hardiness in the pollen side of the family either way. Some packets were of High Voltage, others from a New Dawn hybrid with a yellow mini, others from Arctic Sunrise, or Brite Eyes. Probably a couple others I forget. For some crosses this is 1/4 of the seeds but for most is is nearer 10 %. So IF I am lucky there will be more seedlings. I doubt these are all selfs, though they could be. What I want is a repeat-bloomer with the same color range as the pollen parent, totally disease-resistant and with thorns less than in inch long. I also have maybe a couple hundred more seeds in packets that haven't shown germination so far, with the same pollen parents..

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68961Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:25 pm

Larry,

You have some very interesting parentage. I hope you get some really nice yellows, oranges or peach colored F1. Is your New Dawn hybrid x yellow mini a climber?
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68967Post mntlover
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:13 pm

About a dozen seedlings up of Hansa (pollinations from Mary Rose, James Gallway & Othello)
Half a dozen Rudelda x Lady of Megginch seedlings up
A couple golden celebration X williams double
Half a dozen Martin Frobisher X either Theresa bugnet or Lilian Austin
Seedlings up from my own seedlings that I believe are (Theresa Bugnet X nutkana?) x Mary Rose, Abraham Darby, Lady of Shallot, etc.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68968Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:15 pm

One of your goals is OGR style blooms?
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68969Post mntlover
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:24 pm

OGR blooms with a little more cold hardiness. Disease resistance would be nice, although that will be difficult with these crosses, as will fertility.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68971Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:29 pm

I like some of those crosses. Good luck with them.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68972Post mntlover
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:31 pm

Thanks! I hope yours go well also.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68993Post Larry Davis
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:55 pm

The NDxymin that I mentioned above might be considered a climber but probably not. The original plant, totally neglected for a couple decades, gets about a ft long, sort of along the ground in very poor dry place with too much shade. The 5 or 6 that I grow in pots reach around a yard high because I prune them back some each winter so I don't have to water the 3-4 gallon pots more than once a day. Under the same abuse ND makes longer canes than they do each summer. In fact it will pass 3 ft from a 1 gal pot, but with very few flowers. I suspect under ideal conditions, not in shade all summer, NDymin would be a good sized shrub. Flowers are not big, about like Little Darling. And only sort of yellow, depending on season and temperature. But it passes on yellow to offspring. Plant probably not to get as big as Above and Beyond, but that's because each cane terminates in flowers with NDymin, and usually ND. The number of leaves per inflorescence is not a lot and the internode length is not huge. A & B has the advantage of being able to grow freely all summer without popping out flowers. So it gets taller faster.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68994Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:19 pm

Larry,

Thanks for sharing about your NDymin. That is a cross I would have made as well. Hopefully you were able to get increased health over the usual for minis. Did you have further plans for it in terms of breeding?
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68995Post philip_la
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:28 pm

I don't have much going on yet, but this seems as good a time as any to put in a plug for Lemon Fizz. I'm finding a good number of strong early germinations coming off her seeds -- much better than e.g. Carefree Beauty (no slacker herself) at this juncture.
The one and only cross with Kordes' Soul Sister made a huge hip with 15 really fat seeds too. We'll see what comes of it... I was happy with the shrub in its first year.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 68997Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:27 am

Philip,

I used Lemon Fizz myself for the first time last season. I'm waiting on germination now. I really like this one.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69014Post philip_la
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:46 am

Good luck with those, Rob! I think Joe had gotten some nice results from LF if I recall correctly from a video he shot some time back. I don't recall if everything was single or if anything more full came from it, but I seem to remember some good yellows coming through even with near-species crosses. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69016Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:28 pm

Germination today from what I think are interesting crosses:

(Morning Magic x ILC1-72-1) x Campfire. My thoughts were increased resistance, yellow, good repeat, and good hardiness. I'm hopeful that MMILC3 is hardy to at least 5b if not 4b.

Yellow Brick Road x Campfire. This one also for increased health, yellow, good repeat and good hardiness. Hardiness? zone 4b and 3b

Ramblin Red x Never Alone. Looking for smaller stature, health, repeat bloom, red or red bi-color. Hardiness...two zone 3b roses.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69024Post jbergeson
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:39 pm

Here is a pic of what is probably Lemon Fizz x Music Box. Semi-double.

It hasn't been a strong grower, but certainly has the wow factor.

I think Julie O would caution against cercospora breakdown with the Kordes intros such as Lemon Fizz. Indeed one of the hybrids I was interested in, LF x R. carolina, ended up with some significant cercospora.

Crosses with a dominating bland pink such as Prairie Joy have yielded unspectacular slightly-yellow's.

However, I'm still using it cuz yellow and super blackspot resistance.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69025Post Rob Byrnes
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:50 pm

Nice color Joe! How about crossing it with Campfire?
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69026Post mntlover
Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:12 pm

Congrats Joe: that certainly has the wow factor.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69029Post jbergeson
Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:53 pm

Good $%(*&%# idea, Rob! Hardiness and bloom power from Campfire, maybe some disease resistance and glossy foliage and equally outrageous phototropism from Music Fizz.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69033Post Larry Davis
Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:14 pm

Looks like an improved Masquerade or Circus. That seems to have real potential.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69055Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:01 pm

A couple of interesting crosses that germinated today:

Swany x Campfire. Seedlings from this cross are 25% Rosa sempervirens and 25% Rosa wichuraiana so I'm hoping for increased disease resistance. Swany is hardy to zone 5 and combining with Z3b Campfire will hopefully give me at least zone 4b. I'm also looking for increased petal count and prolific blooming from Swany. And from Campfire, a shade of yellow would be very nice as well.

(Morning Magic x ILC1-72-1) x (Gold Busch x Joycie) Looking for a shade yellow, peach, apricot or orange, increased blooming, smaller stature and hopefully zone 4b.
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