see germination from dry hips?

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Rob Byrnes

see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9052Post Rob Byrnes
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:00 am

Can seeds from hips that have been dried out for 4-5 years still germinate?

Robert Rippetoe

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9053Post Robert Rippetoe
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:00 am

I think it would depend on storage conditions and what type of rose they are from. It can't hurt to try. I wouldn't think they they have much chance.

I've heard of seed from certain Northern species held frozen and still viable for a number of years.

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9055Post Rob Byrnes
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:00 am

Thank you Robert. I'll try the floating test to see if any sink and go from there.

roger

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9056Post roger
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:00 am

I had some 3 years old 'Bonica' seeds as germinated last year. The seeds have been inside the hip indors in my house. Try if this is some interesting seeds Rob.

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9057Post Rob Byrnes
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:00 am

Hearing about your success with dried 'Bonica' hips/seeds gives me encouragement. I'll give it a try Roger. I do have some interesting crosses dating from 2001 where the hips have been stored in a dry environment. For your 'Bonica' dried hips, did you soak them first before opening them or just crush/open the dried hips?

Pierre Rutten

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9065Post Pierre Rutten
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:00 am

I routinely dry many seeds such as rugosa, banksiae, multiflora and wichuraiana derivatives among others.

Botanical Gardens do usualy preserve dry species rose seeds or fruits. I had diverse results from failure with the very large seeds of chinensis spontanea to success with roxburghii. So so with setigera.

Banksiae old dried seeds did germinate much better for me than fresh ones...

Robert Rippetoe

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9071Post Robert Rippetoe
Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:00 am

This thread gave me some encouragement to go back and collect some dried OP his from a cultivar I've been curious about. I'll let you know if I get success.

The only time I've had success (or tried much for that matter) was with some dried OP hips of Dr. A.J. Verhage. I did get germination. The seedling was very unimpressive.

roger

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9073Post roger
Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:00 am

Rob, i just open the dried hips, then soak the seeds in water for about 22 hours.

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9076Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:00 am

Thank you all for your input. I'll proceed forward using dried the seeds and use roI'm really glad I didn't toss them out afterall. Appreciate the tip on how you soaked the seeds Roger.

After being absent from this site for about 4 years it's great to come back and see familiar names and find that everyone is still so very helpful. Thanks again.

Jim Sproul (zone 9)

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9108Post Jim Sproul (zone 9)
Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:00 am

Rob, I lost some hips for a year a few years back in the bottom of the old refrigerator that we keep in the garage for my rose breeding and for overflow from the house. When I found them the following year during harvest time, I noted that the hips had dried hard. I also noticed that they were some of my earlier important hulthemia crosses. So not wanting to throw them away, I planted them per my usual routine. Germination was excellent.

Jim Sproul

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9109Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:00 am

I was so close to tossing these hips and am so glad I posted this question first. It's great you were able to get germination from seeds of your hulthemia crosses Jim. I hope you get something really interesting from them.


Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9113Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:00 am

Some seeds from dry hips from '01, '02 and '03 that I hope germinate:

Folksinger x Applejack

Corylus x R. xanthina

Gipsy Boy x Bayse's Purple

Mystic Meidiland x Gold Moss

Bella Nitida x R. glauca

Dortmund x Rugelda

Dortmund x Golden Glow

Hansa x Hazeldean

Jens Munk x Hazeldean

Pink Meidiland x Bayse's Purple

Baby Love x Hazeldean

Awakening x Pink Meidiland

New Dawn x Golden Glow

Purple Heart x Commander Gillette

Sunflare x Commander Gillette

Old Fashioned Romance x (Westerland x Dornroschen)

Pink Meidiland x Nitida Defender

Golden Celebration x Illusion

Pink Meidiland x Carefree Sunshine

Nitida Defender x Corylus

New Dawn x Commander Gillette

Iceberg x Commander Gillette

New Dawn x Fire King

New Dawn x Dornroschen

Dornroschen x Carefree Sunshine

Cardinale Hume x Black Jade

Graham Thomas x Gold Moss

Some OP hips from same time period:

Cardinale Hume

Amy Robsart

Illusion

Morden Ruby

Lemon Blush

Graham Thomas

Dornroschen

Autumn Fire

L83 (R. foliosa x R. rugosa)

Tender Blush

Nyveldt's White

Christopher Columbus (striped shrub)

Mystic Meidiland

Carefree Sunshine

Jadae (zone 8b)

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9114Post Jadae (zone 8b)
Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:00 am

"Gipsy Boy x Bayse's Purple"

Cool!

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9115Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:00 am

Thanks Jadae. :-)

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 9166Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:00 am

I found a treasure trove of hips/seeds today that were still packed away:

Pristine Pavement x Peppermint Twist

Seafoam x Applejack

Prosperity x Applejack

White Flower Carpet x Party Girl

Cardinal de Richelieu x Black Jack

Folksinger x Lemon Delight

Cl. Jeanne Lajoie x Lemon Delight

The Fairy x Pink Meidiland

Illusion x Lichtkonigin Lucia

Leverkusen x Lichtkonigin Lucia

Gipsy Boy x Basye's Purple

The Fairy F1 x (Heritage x Westerland)

And OP seeds:

Basye's Purple

Basye's Amphidiploid

Commander Gillette

Russelliana

Gipsy Boy

Red Flower Carpet

Henry Kellsey

Wild Ginger

La Belle Sultane

Constance Spry

Coral Dawn

Golden Wings

Hansa

L83

First Light

Pink Meidiland

Cl. Jeanne Lajoie

Sea Foam

Square Dancer

Vivid (bourbon)

Sevelliana (Buck)

Rob Byrnes

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 11045Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:00 am

I've had the first germination from seeds that were stored since 2001-2003. The first to germinate are from openly pollinated L83 seeds after 4 months in the fridge. I was beginning to wonder if any of those old seeds would germinate. Hopefully more will as well.

Robert Rippetoe

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 11047Post Robert Rippetoe
Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:00 am

Congrats Rob!

What is "L83"?


Robert Rippetoe

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 11052Post Robert Rippetoe
Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:00 am

Fascinating. Thanks!

Amber

Re: see germination from dry hips?

Post: # 11054Post Amber
Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:00 am

Good heavens! That is a lot. I do know, that for some species roses the seeds naturally germinate over a period of several years. Some people think they may have evolved that way so that if any one year has bad conditions there will still be some seeds germinating next year and the next. Although most modern roses don't tend in that direction, I would imagine that in most roses, to varying degrees, there would be some built in tendency for lasting viability in a dry seed.

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