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rikuhelin1
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Post: # 71886Post rikuhelin1
Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:31 pm

Realized oldest one tangled up in Mannings Blush ... this photo does a better justice to Dening’s “Jamie” find of an OP of Therese Bugnet. Fence 3 ft, rose is 2 feet or half way to a Lotusland 4 footer.
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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71887Post mntlover
Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 pm

Thanks for the information guys!
This year I didn't purchase any spins or hybrids from them. I used pollen from Williams Double yellow two seasons ago (at least I think it was Williams not Harrison's) because it still grows on homesteads by where we lived and I could get pollen. This year I got some pollen from Kakwa at a garden. I also got pollen from an unlabeled shrub by it that I think was a spin hybrid. I'll make plans this winter for next season, and I will consider adding some of those listed for breeding.
Not sure what disease issues will be here. Look forward to learning.
Not sure why this Martin Frobisher seedling has shown no disease, even though seedlings all around it have. Perhaps it just isn't the strain of black spot it will succumb to.
Speaking of which: is there a way we can find out what black spot we are dealing with, so we can understand more for judging our seedlings, and even for breeding plants?
Thanks again!
Duane

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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71913Post rikuhelin1
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:40 pm

Hi Duane
There was a discussion about black spot variants and testing a couple of months back l think by David Ze ... (hopeless at spelling)- don't recall enough to answer your question which reads like can you find which one. If you search his post might find a lead.

Btw, might be interested in photo of the oldest OP Therese Bugnet “Jamie” opening today ... love the “HT” like opening act ... hardy but not super hardy category.
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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71914Post mntlover
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:01 pm

Beautiful rose! I wonder what the pollen parent was to get that bloom.
I'm very curious to see what type of cold hardiness this seedling has. I want to try several cuttings to have a backup, but hips are forming on the branches, so it will have to wait.
Duane

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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71915Post Plazbo
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:18 pm

Re blackspot variants, maybe this was the thread

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56480
Anyone able to send rosa californica (op) seeds to me in Australia?

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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71916Post rikuhelin1
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:24 pm

... that's the one l was thinking of, read like some good research ..

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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71919Post rikuhelin1
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm

One more of Jamie’s bloom progression that re-enforces to me not to forget to consider building on the past to move forward and improve the rose ... and to me was basically created by natural randomness with right factors all in play at once

... todays morning bloom, slightly fragrant in morning, last stage it it “mounds” up and then is spent. About 3 days of buildup interest in my garden ... glad l stumbled upon short Jamie for my garden before nursery went wholesale ... and thats it. Other than sharing hardiness, some color tones and slight fragrance and short life, completely different bloom form ... and to me where most of the “cash is” for some once you get past winter ... and short for my garden.

Though HMF lists States source.
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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71922Post rikuhelin1
Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:54 pm

Last photo point making. This is peak, max at 1:30 pm full sun today ... now going “mauve”, fortunately more blooms and bushes to follow ... need to collect this pollen this year and see if it will freeze - too busy with rock hardy climber pursuit to cross.

Duane if you would like pollen l can send when your moved in, if ok - or next year as hardy. Maybe cross with your MF-TB seedling for a try at different color tone.

And it might add some contribution of the other “different rose” genes that made Jamie bloom form. Doubt Jamie “would wiin at shows”, but super garden value for me, my up front shortie, whose hardy and “different”. And l think rare now.
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Post: # 71931Post mntlover
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:59 pm

Pollen would be great. Thanks!
I've been thinking about what Joe said about blooms lasting.
This seedling is hard to judge, as it opens slowly. It is, of course, a bud for a while. It takes three or four days to open, although that is hard to tell sometimes because it stays fairly deeply cupped. When fully open it lasts a couple of days. So it may be just under a week from bud starting to open till petals fall.
Fortunately the fragrance lasts the whole time.
It has hips on now, so all blooms done for the time being. I'm curious to see if it will throw a few blooms later even with hips on.
Duane

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Re: pictures Martin Frobisher Seedling

Post: # 71932Post rikuhelin1
Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:53 pm

Okay, when close to send will private message for address to mail to.

Just notice today Jamie’s leaf tips are “obtuse” compared to the more acute tips on my Thereses. Other than that l have not spent much time noting bush characteristics other than its growing characteristics, height, bloom, stems/branching colouring and overall rugosa appearance.

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