Barden Atomics - Dakota Redwing

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Barden Atomics - Dakota Redwing

Post: # 71267Post Don
Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:49 am

Paul Barden bred a small group of roses named after various USA atomic weapons tests to emphasize the fact that these particular cultivars are highly resistant to Diplocarpon rosa (Blackspot Disease). Of these I grew Castle Bravo, Cannikin and Diablo Hawk. The only other one I know of is Dakota Redwing which I was never able to get a copy of. It had gone to Rogue Valley Roses for commercialization but, at least as late as 2015, had not been released.

I happened to be looking for a copy of another rose today, Ollie Weeks' Paradise, and noticed that Dakota Redwing is now on offer at Rogue Valley Roses. I am no longer actively breeding roses but I mention this in the hope that someone here will get a copy of Dakota Redwing and carry on with it.

https://roguevalleyroses.com/shop-paul- ... uct-page=3
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Post: # 71270Post roseseek
Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:34 pm

I'm glad that's still around. I am now growing a small start from Paul of his Tajique, sibling of Mel's Heritage, an 0-47-19 X Crepuscule seedling.
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Post: # 71271Post jdreyer
Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:36 pm

Thanks Don. Could you share your experience with the others as parents? Thanks

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Post: # 71272Post Don
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:48 pm

>> Could you share your experience with the others as parents?

Summarily, with the caveat that I don't have any derivatives of them for reasons having nothing to do with them, per se.

In my hands Cannikin was the most productive, mostly because it grew well for me and is a prolific bloomer. It takes pollen from a lot of different things but likes Moore, Barden and Rupert roses in particular. It took moyesii and Flower Carpet Red, a hulthemia or two, virginiana and even from an f1 roxburghii.

The other two were not as bountiful bloomers as was Cannikin, at least for me, though both were quite fertile both ways.

The bloom form of these three is quite full with lots of petal substance and very, very dense pigmentation which makes for a lot of potential. Their architecture and armor (ouch!) need a lot of refinement but that should be no surprise. The trick is to carry along the blackspot resistance with the refinement.
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Post: # 71279Post wickertgardens
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:28 am

I ordered Dakota Redwing last year from Rogue Valley. I love the dark red color on it. I'll likely do something with it in the future.
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Post: # 71280Post Don
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:56 am

So is your facebook page the one with the post about honeyberries? If so I just bought a mated pair yesterday, Blue Moon and Blue Velvet. Have you grown these?
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Post: # 71281Post wickertgardens
Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:08 am

Yes. That is my Facebook page. The ones I currently have are Berry Blue, Borealis, Cinderella, and Indigo Gem. I just put them in last year, so they're not producing yet. They came through our relatively mild winter here in NE Ohio and look to be in good shape.
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Post: # 71318Post jmarek
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:50 pm

I’ve had Dakota Redwing for a couple of years now. I used it last year as a seed parent. It set good full hips and so far I’ve got good germination. Waiting on first blooms now. Sadly I won’t be using it this spring as my plant is in our local community garden and I’m avoiding going during the current pandemic crisis here. Stay safe and enjoy your roses everyone.

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Post: # 71325Post paul.barden
Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:37 pm

'Dakota Redwing' is a cross of 'Brown Velvet' and 'Midnight Blue'. While it may indeed have virtues worth exploring in further hybridizing, disease resistance is not one of them.

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Post: # 71326Post minutifolia
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:34 am

I think it is an elegant rose with subtle coloring. I look forward to growing it. I'm delighted to communicate with its originator.

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Re: Barden Atomics - Dakota Redwing

Post: # 71329Post paul.barden
Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:41 am

minutifolia wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:34 am
I think it is an elegant rose with subtle coloring. I look forward to growing it. I'm delighted to communicate with its originator.
Thanks!
Don't get me wrong, its a nice enough rose. Its just not going to advance efforts to enhance Blackspot resistance. Its got fantastic color (photos don't do it justice) and nice scent, but its also a rather large, open shrub that tends to produce fairly small blooms for its size. I don't believe I ever used it for breeding, but given its pedigree, it might be a useful tool for enhancing rich colors in subsequent generations. Crossing it with something more compact and with better Blackspot resistance might be the best approach.

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Post: # 71341Post jmarek
Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:58 pm

Here’s a shot of my plant in our community garden (a friend just sent the pic). Full of blooms and about 5’ tall.
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Post: # 71343Post minutifolia
Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:52 am

Hoo boy! You have brought a real beauty into the world, Paul. I can hardly wait to see it, ah, in person. Thank you!

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