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Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71231Post johannesp
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:00 pm

My last source of Canary Bird pollen dried up with Hortico. I can’t over winter it in my climate so I would take the flowers and toss the planting. I would really appreciate if the there is someone who can help

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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71233Post Plazbo
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:44 am

Sadly can't help there.

Possibly go the other way and have someone in a warmer climate pollinate with hardy pollen and send you the seed...maybe something from that will survive for you?
Anyone able to send rosa californica (op) seeds to me in Australia?

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Post: # 71234Post rikuhelin1
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:08 am

Sorry, though like to help and records show a planted Canary Bird from BBN, l have no location memory of whether it survived or not ... have a few hardy yellow singles but no tags except Ormiston Roy and R. Primula and spino hybrids. R. xanthina may arrive this spring, and Thor willing, it will be signed uo like the LV strip. You can have the pollen in a year or two if it lives up to old claims good to better than -30C.

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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71238Post rikuhelin1
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:43 pm

This is my Canary Bird (per BBN label) I acquired way back in time. I took the picture in winter of 2006 blooming in my grow room. Flowers still look like an unlabelled rose in the garden for size and form. Its done better than just survived for 13 winters. However I refuse to declare the rose as such, as I would not know the right Canary Bird if it bit me on the fingers.
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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71239Post Johannes
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:02 pm

That pic looks like Rosa ecae! I would love to work with it if you could share pollen! If you are interested I could share seed of R. hugonis.

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Post: # 71240Post Johannes
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:08 pm

Does your yellow produce seed? I could be ‘Golden Chersonese’ spelling could be wrong. It is too yellow. It is a hybrid R. ecae. You made my day! Johannes

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Post: # 71241Post Johannes
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:16 pm

Yes I think that you have Rosa ecae. The size of the flower and a lack of any red at the base of the petals. 60% sure?

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Post: # 71242Post Johannes
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:26 pm

Plazbo wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:44 am
Sadly can't help there.

Possibly go the other way and have someone in a warmer climate pollinate with hardy pollen and send you the seed...maybe something from that will survive for you?
I am working with aneuploids. Direction of cross is critical. J

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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71243Post roseseek
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:10 pm

Don't feel badly. 99% of us wouldn't have any idea what any of them really are.
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Post: # 71244Post roseseek
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:08 pm

You might find it easier to obtain your pollen if you access the Spinosissima Roses Face Book page. If people anywhere have what you're looking for, I'd imagine they would be there. Len Heller likely grows it and may be of assistance. https://www.facebook.com/groups/540318416355334/

Actually, per his garden listing on Help Me Find, Len does grow Canary Bird. https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l. ... p=C#lstTop
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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71245Post julie777
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:08 pm

That canary rose is so beautiful.
Zone 9.

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Post: # 71249Post johannesp
Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 pm

Well Kim, I made a request and I was sharply informed that pollen can only shipped frozen not just desicated. Half my seedlings should technically not exist!

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Post: # 71250Post roseseek
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:10 pm

I'm sorry. You might investigate if there are any listed on Help Me Find or request on Face Book who grow it in your country. There ARE ways to find out such information and it will take a little investigative work. Good luck. I don't grow it. I do have Xanthina, my 1-72-1Hugonis and its hybrids but I've never grown the Xanthina - Hugonis crosses.
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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71251Post rikuhelin1
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:20 pm

I will send you “ not likely” Canary Bird pollen or might be “Ecae” - usually late May early June bloom. I appreciate your offer of R. hugonis but l grow one labelled that. Never paid attention to it as a breeder until l saw photos of Kim’s efforts for breeding stock only.

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Post: # 71252Post johannesp
Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:03 pm

Thank you, I will give you my email and then you can discuss arrangements gardenink1@gmail.com

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Post: # 71254Post johannesp
Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:00 pm

roseseek wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:10 pm
I'm sorry. You might investigate if there are any listed on Help Me Find or request on Face Book who grow it in your country. There ARE ways to find out such information and it will take a little investigative work. Good luck. I don't grow it. I do have Xanthina, my 1-72-1Hugonis and its hybrids but I've never grown the Xanthina - Hugonis crosses.
Does your Rosa xanthina put out a few flowers late summer?

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Post: # 71255Post roseseek
Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:33 pm

I live in an odd climate. We're very coastal, being nine miles from the Pacific Ocean, and "summer heat" often doesn't arrive until August, September or October and "spring" hangs around from January/February until then. Often, we'll have high pressure systems blow through, pushing the "heat" up a few degrees for a few days and "once blooming" plants will "repeat". Last year, I picked buds off Banksiae lutescens until August. Very few of the species didn't "repeat".
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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71256Post Plazbo
Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:56 pm

Similar experience to Kim here in Sydney Australia. Golden Cheronese generally has 3 flushes a year for me, the latter two aren't as big as the first but still quite a lot of flowers. Glauca often twice. Other once blooming species are only a year or two so they may start "reblooming" as they get more established like GC and Glauca have.
Anyone able to send rosa californica (op) seeds to me in Australia?

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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71258Post Margit Schowalter
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:51 pm

Johannes
You might try this person in Quebec who lists Canary Bird on HMF
https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.4560
Or if you are really desperate you can have my frozen pollen of Canary Bird, Father Hugo and Rosa alabukensis. They have been frozen for a few years but the pollen looks OK in the microscope.

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Re: Pollen from Canary Bird

Post: # 71261Post Johannes
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:30 am

Hello Margit, just as an experiment it would be interesting to see the viability. When you say that the pollen looks fine under the microscope, did you try germinating it in a sugar solution? I have a lot of plants so we can experiment.

Talked Paul Olsen the other day and I met up with him in December. I like his idea of recreating damask roses with hardier parents. Haven’t seen Terry for two years.

Yes I would like to try your pollen of Canary Bird and Rosa hugonis. Do you have much? Thank you for thinking of me. Johannes

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