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purple stamens

Post: # 71113Post philip_la
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:31 am

Came across a Tantau cultivar, "Strandperle Norderney" https://www.rosen-tantau.com/en/rose-strandperle-amrum/ an apparent rugosa hybrid which reminds of some foliolosa descendants. I was trying to think of other purple-stamened roses (Burgundy Iceberg, perhaps the moyesii "Geranium", and i was going to say, Astronomia/The Charlatan until I realized its are deep pink and not purple...)

I was wondering of folks could think of roses having such, and/or speculate as to how such come about in descendants?
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Re: purple stamens

Post: # 71114Post roseseek
Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:10 pm

You can find a number with intensely dark stamen in the Hulthemia types. The pigments concentrated in the central disk of the flower and continue up the stamen.
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Post: # 71115Post Don
Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:27 pm

I saw Bayses Purple a number of years ago in the outside patio garden at the US Botanical Garden. The stamens were strikingly purple.

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Re: purple stamens

Post: # 71116Post philip_la
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:37 pm

Basye's Purple, and Paul Barden's 'Purple Folio-Chief' were the two foliolosa descendants I was thinking of when I alluded to such. I don't know if there are others. Looking again now, I see that Ann Endt does *not* have purple stamens, as I thought I had recalled. In fact, I am finding surprisingly few as I look at roses I *thought* I remembered as having purple stamens...

Kim, are there hulthemias with purple anthers as well? The very few I can think of off-hand seem to have yellow anthers, though with colored filaments. (I don't know if I was clear, or even misusing my botanical terms, but I meant "stamen" to include both anther and filament.) As I say, I know very few from this class.

I don't know if others find such remarkable, but the few times I've seen purple stamens, I've found them quite striking. Apparently I've only seen such on three cultivars now that I'm doing searches!
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Post: # 71117Post david zlesak
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:37 am

Years ago I raised selfed seedlings of Carefree Beauty (only rose in the landscape with no other roses anywhere nearby) and a limited number of seedlings had purple/pink filaments and anther edges. It seems like at least the kind of stamen coloration that CB gives in this regard is recessive. CB does not have this trait, but seems to be a carrier.

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Post: # 71118Post Giessen
Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:43 am

Rotes Phänomen, a rugosa hybrid, I believe, has purple stamens. But no descendants yet.

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Post: # 71119Post Don
Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:17 am

Purple is not the only color that anthers can be besides yellow. This is a picture of Rob Rippeto's GOLDAXDORHOR, a hybrid bracteata seedling that I tried breeding with for several years. I regret not having any offspring that survived the winters in New England which was the fate also of mama.
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Post: # 71120Post roseseek
Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:09 pm

There are many with red stamen. Think Dainty Bess and White Wings to name just two.
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Post: # 71121Post Plazbo
Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:40 pm

philip_la wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:37 pm
Kim, are there hulthemias with purple anthers as well? The very few I can think of off-hand seem to have yellow anthers, though with colored filaments.
They can be, but Im seeing more red/dark red. I've raised a lot of seedlings from Sweet Spot Calypso (a lot of health issues though) and it varies from entirely yellow reproductive parts to entirely red with a lot of inbetween.
Anyone able to send rosa californica (op) seeds to me in Australia?

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Post: # 71122Post philip_la
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:08 pm

Kim, it occurred to me to search purple stamens in this forum (duh) and came across a brief exchange b/w you and Jim on the subject of his hulthemias. I likewise followed the link to Jim's "baby Dainty Bess" (No idea why I had forgotten Dainty Bess beforehand.) Also found a mention of David's Carefree Beauty seedling...

Interestingly enough, I'm not finding any sort of explanation for the trait in the pedigrees. I gather such are pretty few and far between, rather random, and not something one should plan for in crossing.

I am expecting upwards of 100 OP C.B. seedlings. I would guess I have 50 of them in little pots so far, and many more seeds in the cooler. I'll be curious as to whether any of them have purple stamens. (Growing them more as a germination experiment than anything else. I was underwhelmed with my CB seedlings last year, and I expect the vast majority of these will probably be culled for health issues before they bloom. They'd better be. I ain't got that kind of room for plants... (Meanwhile, I probably collected no more than a half dozen successful takes on my *planned* crosses. I really resent the bees for making me feel so inept.))
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Re: purple stamens

Post: # 71123Post jbergeson
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:39 am

First pic (off topic) - no anthers. I think Ann Endt or Rugosa #3 x R. carolina.

Second pic, a rose I call Black Anther. Ann Endt x (Bulls Eye x R. virginiana). Actually set some hips, which was cool.
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Post: # 71124Post roseseek
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:48 am

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Re: purple stamens

Post: # 71125Post dmears
Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:20 am

Joe, they are great. I do hope you have yellows in the plants you have not shown us, "please"

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Re: purple stamens

Post: # 71136Post philip_la
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:56 am

Beautiful, Joe. I like those contrasting centers, but the dark stamens in particular seem to draw me.
In view of my attraction to dark centers, I'm really not sure why I have yet to try any hulthemias. (Though I have always presumed they would resent my humidity.)
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Post: # 71137Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:57 am

jbergeson wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:39 am
Second pic, a rose I call Black Anther. Ann Endt x (Bulls Eye x R. virginiana). Actually set some hips, which was cool.
Love this one. Interesting parentage. Well done Joe!
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Post: # 71139Post jmarek
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:35 am

I grew a seedling from my first Hulthemia hybrid crossed with Home Run. Deep dark stamens but sadly a very poor bloomer and a weak plant. Haven’t made something similar again.
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Post: # 71147Post Rosesbydesign
Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:08 pm

Beautiful seedling Joseph.

Another rose that I used in the past with darker filaments was 'Geisha'. It was a nice rose and set hips too!

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Re: purple stamens

Post: # 71173Post srpshoy
Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:58 pm

This is a rose hybridized by my friend Al Whitcomb. Filaments can be very dark - definitely maroon if not purple. Named 'Miss Grace.'
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Post: # 71230Post Andrea
Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:23 pm

Hallo,
This seedling is a descendant of Soleil d'Or in 2nd generation.

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