Autumn color

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Rob Byrnes
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Autumn color

Post: # 70683Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:29 am

Leaves on my Nyveldt’s White x Ann Endt after first frost in November.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70685Post mntlover
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:57 pm

Beautiful color! Interesting how it starts in the middle of the leaf and spreads outward. Which parent does the color come from? I haven't grown either of them. Was there juvenile bloom in this one?
Very nice!
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70686Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:28 pm

Duane,

I don't recall either parent having rich color. Mostly yellow and gold. There was no juvenile bloom
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70693Post philip_la
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:13 pm

The richest fall color I've ever had in my garden so far was on MORsoucrest/Dawn Crest, which Kim shared with me years ago (but which did not survive the transplant/move to my new home, unfortunately). It was, as I recall, a remarkably dark purpley bronze. My Lorapetalum would have been jealous of that foliage.
(I gather I can only link to online photos, and not actually upload them into this forum?)
I have a sport of Fabvier/Martha Gonzalez called "Old Gay Hill" after the community where it was discovered, which gets an attractive purpley bronze as well, and my Pink Pet/Caldwell Pink does too.
Philip F.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70695Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:13 am

You should be able to upload photos to the forum Philip while posting a message.

Under the "Attachments" tab:

"If you wish to attach one or more files enter the details below (by clicking on Add files button). You may also attach files by dragging and dropping them in the message box."
Rob Byrnes

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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70700Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:21 pm

I’m adding a picture that shows the color intensifying. I'm very pleased with the autumn color and look forward to seeing the first blossom.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70705Post philip_la
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:55 pm

Thanks, Rob. I guess I never scrolled down far enough to see those tabs!
Here is the MORsoucrest (Dawn Crest) I was talking about. Photo is several years old as I no longer have this plant, but I thought it quite striking. (Let's see if this works...)
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70706Post philip_la
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:58 pm

And another. These were taken January 2015. I don't recall if they did the same the following year, to be honest.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70707Post philip_la
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:02 pm

This one is a horrible photo, but in the background (errr... left -- sorry, dunno why sideways...) is "Old Gay Hill" and in the foreground is Cramoisi Superieur taken the same day. OGH has nice purpley bronze foliage.

It's of course conceivable that we had something in the weather that made them particularly colorful that year.

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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70708Post philip_la
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:32 pm

Here are the same two roses (OGH and CS) nearly 3 months later:
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70709Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:32 am

Philip,

Thanks for sharing your pictures. I particularly like the leaf color of MORsoucrest.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70710Post roseseek
Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:58 pm

I love all of those examples! Yes, Philip, Morsoucrest (Dawn Crest) has gorgeous seasonal coloring and it SMELLS so good! Here, it never ceased flowering. I have shared this seedling's summer flowering and coloring previously here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56087&p=68625&hilit ... kah#p68625 . I thought I had also shared its fall coloring, but I can't find it, so here are some examples of what April Mooncrest X Pookah does when it begins cooling.
april mooncrest x pookah (100).JPG
april mooncrest x pookah (90).JPG
april mooncrest x pookah (82).JPG
april mooncrest x pookah (23).JPG
april mooncrest x pookah (20).JPG
april mooncrest x pookah (10).JPG
apmc x pookah (19).JPG
apmc x pookah (11).JPG
apmc x pookah (9).JPG
apmc x pookah (3).JPG
apmc x pookah (1).JPG
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Kim
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70716Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:35 am

Cape Diamond with nice color
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70728Post philip_la
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:18 pm

Kim, are all of those from the same plant? You had shared the golden-brown beech-colored leaves, but the purplier ones are new to me. *Those* I like. (I'm admittedly less excited by the ones with dull, earthy hues.)

Does either parent have similar hues in its fall foliage?
Philip F.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70729Post roseseek
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:02 am

Yes, they are all the same plant. Nope, neither plant has those bronze tones, though April Mooncrest can have bluish tones and imparts nice coloring to its offspring. I am certain those came from Morcrest. Carolyn Supinger of Sequoia Nursery gave me their last plant of it and I budded it, then passed it on to John Bagnasco to be propagated and eventually sold through the CCRS Rare Rose Auctions. Morcrest was Mr. Moore's first fertile crested breeder. https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.38214
Kim
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70732Post philip_la
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:14 pm

I wonder what one might get by crossing April Mooncrest, with Dawn Crest. It seems a healthy crested flower with beautiful foliage is highly possible.
Philip F.
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Re: Autumn color

Post: # 70734Post roseseek
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:21 pm

You might think so , but that isn't what resulted. It seems when crossing the crested hybrids from Crested Jewel, obtaining a semi climbing, repeat flowering, single to semi double, medium pink, "rangy thing" with no cresting is the default. Most have been scented, and none have been sufficiently impressive to retain.
Kim
California Central Coast
USDA Zone 9b
Sunset Zone 15
Cooler inland coastal valley with strong marine influence

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