Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

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Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70392Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:35 am

I've been working with Nyveldt's White for a while now and NWMOTH is the best F1 so far. Germination was in the winter of 2017 and these are the first blooms but so far no repeat. We'll see if it does next season. I love the red color and it is very healthy. I'll use it next season as a parent and hope that it has some fertility either way. Given the parentage, NWMOTH should be hardy.



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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70393Post jbergeson
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:26 am

Pretty cool, Rob! Have you looked at the pollen under a pocket microscope? This is the perfect situation where such a scope can be useful. I have a rugosa x Miracle on the Hudson seedling that has very uniform pollen grains which implies that it is a diploid and tells me that the pollen is fertile.

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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70394Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:35 am

jbergeson wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:26 am
Pretty cool, Rob! Have you looked at the pollen under a pocket microscope? This is the perfect situation where such a scope can be useful. I have a rugosa x Miracle on the Hudson seedling that has very uniform pollen grains which implies that it is a diploid and tells me that the pollen is fertile.
Thank you Joe! I haven't looked at the pollen and I don't have a pocket microscope but if it can be useful I'll pick one up. Do you have any recommendations?
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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70396Post jbergeson
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:46 am

I think you'll have a lot of fun looking at pollen. Compare the uniform, beautiful pollen grains of a diploid rugosa to the kind of messed up pollen of various sizes of a modern triploid. It really gives you a good idea of the fertility of a particular rose's pollen, and I think can allow good guesses as to whether a rose is triploid. I have some roses that make pollen but when looked at under a microscope I can see virtually no "good" pollen grains. Those roses have also had very poor results as pollen parents, and the microscope confirmed my suspicions that their pollen was no good.

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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70397Post jbergeson
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:49 am

The best surface upon which to view your pollen is a wide, lightly textured black lid such as from Folgers coffee or Costco pecans. You can smear the pollen across with your finger and it ends up distributed quite evenly for viewing.

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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70398Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:56 am

Thank you for the recommendation Joe! I'm looking forward to looking at pollen for the first time. I have a few breeder roses that I suspect might be triploids with minimal fertility and following your suggestions will be very helpful. It could also save me from wasting time on a rose that has no/little viable pollen. Very cool!
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Post: # 70399Post david mears
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:14 pm

Love the flower Rob, well done
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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70400Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:15 pm

Thank you David!
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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70404Post TerryR
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:32 pm

Yes, nice rose there Rob! I have a few very hardy repeat reds I'd like to cross with 'Miracle on the Hudson' and hope the wait isn't tooo long before I come across this rose in Canada.

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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70405Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:37 pm

Thank you Terry! I'm hoping that this one will repeat next season but even if not it's still a nice rose. Miracle on the Hudson is a really nice rose with many fine qualities to pass on. Did you know that it's reported to be hardy in zone 3? Are there restrictions on roses coming into Canada from the US?
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Post: # 70407Post roseseek
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:51 pm

I can imagine their being uber careful as far as plants are concerned but I've not had any issues sending pollen into Canada. I did it last about a month ago. The envelope went right through without issue.
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Post: # 70408Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:52 pm

Thank you Kim!
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Post: # 70409Post roseseek
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:12 pm

You're welcome, Rob! Your seedling is beautiful! I imagine if you could dry pollen to send, it should get there without a problem. It did, however, take several weeks when mailed as First Class mail. I sent the various types in small glassine bags used for stamps.
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Post: # 70410Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:14 pm

Thank you for the compliment Kim and for the mailing suggestions.
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Post: # 70411Post roseseek
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:53 pm

You're welcome!
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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70469Post mntlover
Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:20 pm

Beautiful rose! Hope it repeats for you.
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Re: Nyveldt's Whtie x Miracle on the Hudson

Post: # 70474Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:30 am

I'm hoping so Duane. Thank you.
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