First germination of the winter

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69381Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:10 pm

Germination today from a cross I was hoping would germinate:

Gaye Hammond x Canadian Shield

I'm hoping for zone 3b hardiness, great disease resistance, great color (yellow, peach or apricot would be great), full OGR blossom style and very good repeat bloom.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.p ... 5524&tab=1 Gaye Hammond

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.p ... 71.2&tab=1 Canadian Shield
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69383Post mntlover
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:21 pm

Great cross: glad it germinated! I look forward to hearing of the results.
I also like the first and third on the previous list (of germinations). I don't know much about the middle one.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69384Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:39 pm

Thanks Duane! The middle one is of interest to me because is has genes from R. glauca, R. pendulina, Prairie Joy and Knock Out. The seed parent, GEAXGLPE, is also thornless if I'm remembering right.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69385Post mntlover
Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:47 pm

I have never researched (nor grown) R. glauca or R. pendulina. I'll have to take a look at them. I know Knock Out of course. And know of Prairie Joy.
Would you recommend Prairie Joy in breeding? Seed or pollen?

Thornless sounds good as I'm looking at some of my Rugosa crosses (yikes!) and also a few of my others (not sure if it is crossing with Canadian roses or Rugosa roses) but some thorns sure multiplied and grew. Others (from same mother) are nearly thornless (the ones already blooming).
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Post: # 69387Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:50 pm

Duane,

I don’t yet have Prairie Joy. It’s a parent of one of Joe Bergeson’s roses that I use in breeding. I do have Prairie Joy on order for spring delivery though. Joe used it as a seed parent I’ll try both ways.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69389Post jbergeson
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:03 pm

Duane, search google for "site:rosebreeders.org prairie joy" to find lots of old discussion here about Prairie Joy, mostly from me.

At a glance: it does not always pass on rebloom; perhaps a minority of seedlings will rebloom. I recommend discarding any seedlings that don't bloom the first year. Above average health and hardiness. Nice element of charm to the blossoms. I think it can be used for either seed or pollen, but is a little stingy either way. I still enjoy using it. I have a potted one that sets fatter hips than when grown outside, and I pollinate it with modern bloom machines each year.

Quite a few years ago I had the ambition to create a version of Prairie Joy that was heavier blooming, so I lined out between 50 and 100 OP seedlings of Prairie Joy. That's how I found out it's tendency of not passing on rebloom, because only a handful of those ostensibly self-pollinated seedlings ended up blooming the first year. Out of those only one combined good vigor with good rebloom. I still have that one...I call it PJOP2. It's leggy and gets cercospora but is otherwise pretty nice. It might be a good idea to recreate that experiment, but definitely plan on throwing away most seedlings that don't bloom as juveniles instead of wasting space on tantalizingly healthy and vigorous seedlings that don't bloom.

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Post: # 69391Post jbergeson
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:07 pm

When clicking on one of the photos that popped up when I googled what I recommended in the previous post, I ran across this old thread about hybridizing with rugosas. It seems like something you might be interested in, Duane:

viewtopic.php?t=54696

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Post: # 69392Post mntlover
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:07 pm

Thanks Joe!
Sounds like there is a lot of promise there with the right combination, given enough seedlings.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69435Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:00 pm

Another interesting cross for me that's germinating:

Yellow Brick Road x OADEFED.

OADEFED is Orangeade × Rosa fedtschenkoana Regel so this F1 is 25% fedtschenkoana. I'm hoping for good repeat, disease resistance, blue/grey leaves, hardiness and that Yellow Brick Road will ensure a shade of yellow.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.39747 OADEFED

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.40980.1 Yellow Brick Road
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69436Post roseseek
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:09 pm

Oddly, this winter is colder and wetter than the previous three I've experienced here and I got some of the seeds planted much later than usual. After six weeks under soil, Golden Angel X Minutifolia is starting to push like crazy.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69438Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:15 pm

That’s a great cross Kim! You’ve gotten some good things out of minutifolia.
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Post: # 69439Post roseseek
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:53 pm

Thanks, Rob. I hope it is. I'm thrilled I have at least gotten SOMETHING from it.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69450Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:12 pm

More germination today from another cross that I find interesting:

(GEAXGLPE) x Orantida

The seed parent has genes from R. glauca and R. pendulina. The pollen parent is 25% R. nitida. Can't wait to see what comes of this one.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=1.61589 GEAXGLPE

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=1.82634 Orantida
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69477Post roseseek
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:11 pm

These are up and dealing with a bit too much rain..
bassoues x l56863.JPG
Bassoues Tea X L56-863
bassoues tea x r. x actii.JPG
Bassoues Tea X R. X Actii
golden angel x minutifolia.JPG
Golden Angel X Minutifolia
lynnie x purezza.JPG
Lynnie X Purezza
manhattan blue x l56863.JPG
Manhattan Blue X L56-863
nessie x golden oldie.JPG
Nessie X Golden Oldie
L56-863 is this http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.81829
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69478Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:59 am

I like your Golden Angel x minutifolia Kim. I look forward to seeing what comes from that.

Huge leaves on the L56-864!
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69480Post roseseek
Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:54 pm

Thanks Rob!
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69481Post aimbeault
Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:35 pm

After my seeds have been stratified for 9 warm weeks and followed by 12 cold weeks, now the fun has begun for me too, since one week! Seventy germinations from 50 % of my crosses I did last year. Some of them are unexpected results, here are some:

Jens Munk x J5
Le Cid (Conrad F. Meyer x Belle Poitevine) x Golden Wings
10TT (Basye’s Purple OP) x Golden Wings
12RR-5 (Lac Majeau OP) x Golden Wings
Haie Lac #2 (Rugosa hybrid) x Golden Wings
10JE (Jens Munk OP) x Hazeldean
123B-1 (King J OP) x Frühlingsduft
15U-1 (Alfred x King J) x Frühlingsduft

I am very surprise with those results using Golden Wings and Frühlingsduft pollens on my rugosas. I never thought that I could have germinations like that whit them. I am hoping to see some nice flowers on those crosses, if they survive.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69482Post Rob Byrnes
Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:57 pm

You have some great crosses there André. I hope you will post some pictures when you have blooms.
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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69493Post tsilvers
Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:42 am

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A warm spell back in January triggered some early germinations here. I had to bring them indoors. Still nothing else going on outdoors but I'm enjoying the foliage variations on these seedlings from pollen of F1 virginiana x arkansana (garden nicknamed "White Native") on 'Easy Does It'. I especially like the one in the foreground of the picture.

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Re: First germination of the winter

Post: # 69495Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:28 am

I hope you get a shade of yellow with that cross Tom! Should be some good hardiness and health with that cross.
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