Experience with any of these? (Multiflora derived, presumably)

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Experience with any of these? (Multiflora derived, presumably)

Post: # 68617Post philip_la
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:18 pm

I've recently found locally on clearance:
- Brise Parfum / Perfume Breeze (which I saw extolled on a French site -- although they protested that the name sounded more like a deodorizer spray than a rose) and I wondered if it offered potential as a breeder... I have also coveted for some time:
- Lyda Rose, of which I have only heard stellar things and which seems to offer some potential -- all the more if one can deepen the color in progeny... And finally, I have been intrigued by:
-Pookah which seems to be a rose that tenaciously holds its blooms, arguably a little too long, and might make for an antidote to some that shatter a little too quickly.

Anybody have experience with these?

(BTW, same nursery at top of post was offering a rose they called "Pink Miracle" which I am assuming might have been a sport of Miracle on the Hudson, having single electric pink blooms. I have found no info on a rose by that name...)
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Post: # 68625Post roseseek
Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:59 am

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Pookah's pollen was rather nice on April Mooncrest.
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Post: # 68627Post jbergeson
Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:08 pm

Kim, wazzat? Oh, maybe I see...April Mooncrest x Pookah ?

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Post: # 68629Post roseseek
Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:49 pm

Yes sir, (April Moon X Morcrest) X Pookah, or April Mooncrest X Pookah. When it begins getting cold, the foliage colors like a bronze Beech!
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April Mooncrest
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April Mooncrest X Pookah
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Post: # 68654Post philip_la
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:47 pm

Thanks for the input! Kim, that is a very nice looking plant -- reminds me a little bit of my recollection of some Poulsen Courtyard roses. I knew you were working with Pookah. Does it impart a tenaciously lasting spray of blooms to its progeny?

I am most interested in acquiring Lyda Rose and working with it. Anyone have experience with it? (A good source for it? I gather it isn't patented?)
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Post: # 68688Post srpshoy
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:31 pm

In my experience OP seeds germinated quite easily. Attached is my only retained seedling.
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Post: # 68705Post philip_la
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:43 pm

Thanks, Stephen. That's a pretty charming little plant. I'm rather surprised at the yellow tones from that cross! Do you think that's from Lyda's background, or the Fourth's?
Kim, your seedling has been growing on me. I admit that the browner bronze foliage tones generally don't appeal to me the same way the redder ones do, but I rather like that plant.
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Post: # 68710Post roseseek
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:14 am

Thanks, Philip. That is the winter foliage, when temps and light are sufficient. It might be something worth crossing with the other red foliaged roses you've written me about?
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Post: # 68713Post philip_la
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:24 am

..Of which I actually have none at the moment, save Old Gay Hill and Pink Pet, both of which have their own issues. (None of the glauca descendents of yesteryear are still kicking. They *hated* it at my prior house.) I've moved on from that one, as I've realized at this juncture that it's not like I need yet *another* goal to add to my tiny garden! Thanks! LOL! (Okay, I *will* confess that I was sort of seeking out Moore's soulieana for that reason, wondering how much it contributed to MORsoucrest's purple foliage in the fall... However, I'm not convinced that it actually has that much R. soulieana in it after comparing photos of it to photos of the species, and I don't recall why I presumed the purple foliage comes from the synstyllae side of that cross...) Focus, Philip. Focus...

No doubt next week I will have new goals for next year, and that one might now work its way back into the program. I have all the attention span of a gnat.
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Post: # 68720Post roseseek
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:51 am

If you change your mind on Ralph's Soulieana, I sent pieces to Restoration Roses, Jonathan Windham at Clemson and someone else, whose name escapes me.
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Post: # 68746Post philip_la
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:51 am

Thank you, Kim. Jonathan was kind enough to photograph and share some photos of his plant, and I'm pretty convinced that Ralph's is not a true soulieana based on those images and comparing them to descriptions and photos of the species. Having said that, yes, I'm still interested in that one. MORsoucrest wasn't without disease, but in view of its other parent, it performed *very* admirably, and I grew quite fond of the plant. I feel that Ralph's Soulieana could offer a good deal of potential. Forgive me my precocious senility -- no doubt you have told me -- but I assume you worked with it too a good bit?

In view of my limitations -- time and realty wise -- I feel like my best successes would likely come of working with plants that others aren't already milking for all they are worth, and this one intrigues too.
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Post: # 68747Post roseseek
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:50 am

No, Philip, I obtained Ralph's Soulieana to get it spread around to those who wanted to use it and to insure it wasn't lost. I don't need ANOTHER ghost to chase!
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