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Harvested hips

Post: # 68356Post Rob Byrnes
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:33 pm

These are the majority of hips (crosses made) from this summer. Sorry for the length of the list.

Thrive! x Basye's Blueberry
Thrive! x "Fire'n Spice" "Fire'n Spice" = Unknown × Belle Poitevine
Thrive! x Orantida Orantida = (Orangeade x R. nitida)
Rosa glauca x Ruglauca
(Golden Angel x R. soulieana) x Campfire
(Golden Angel x R. Soulieana) x Yellow Brick Road
Screaming Neon Red x "Fire'n Spice"
Screaming Neon Red x Canadian Shield
Midnight Blue x Unity
Thrive! x Campfire
Thrive! x Lemon Fizz
Thrive! x PPEGS PPEGS = Petit Pink x EGS1
PPEGS x Campfire
Nyveldt's White x Ann Endt
Yellow Brick Road x Campfire
Yellow Brick Road x Frontenac
Yellow Brick Road x OADEFED
Orantida x (R. rugosa x R. xanthina)
Orantida x Ann Endt
Orantida x Lichterloh
Orantida x Campfire
Metis x Ruglauca
13-1 x OADEFED
13-1 x Campfire 13-1 = Orange Surprise × First Impression
13-1 x New Dawn
Lichterloh x (R. carolina x R. gallica)
Lichterloh x Frontenac
Canadian Shield x Campfire
MMILC3 x GOBXJO MMILC = Morning Magic x Indian Love Call GOBXJO = Goldbusch x Joycie
MMICL3 x Never Alone
MMILC1 x Never Alone
Gaye Hammond x Frontenac
Ramblin Red x Never Alone
Ramblin Red x MMILC3
Ramblin Red x Canadian Shield
Ramblin Red x MMILC3
Frontenac x MMILC3
MBCDM x Campfire MBCDM = Midnight Blue x Cinco de Mayo
MBCDM x Never Alone
MBCDM x Canadian Shield
(11Z29 x OP) 11Z29 = Prairie Joy × Knock Out
Morning Magic x (11Z29 x OP)
Morning Magic x Gaye Hammond
Morning Magic x (Morden Blush x Hazeldean)
Italian Ice x Campfire
Italian Ice x Basye's Blueberry
MMILC3 x Campfire
MMILC3 x Frontenac
Never Alone x MMILC3
Never Alone x MMILC1
Never Alone x PPEGS
Never Alone x (ATT x 11Z29 x OP) = (All a Twitter x 11Z29)
(ATT x 11Z29) x Canadian Shield
Never Alone x Campfire
Never Alone x (11Z29 x OP)
(GEAXGLPE) x Canadian Shield (GEAXGLPE) = Gentle Annie × [Rosa glauca X Rosa pendulina]
Rugauca x Lemon Zest
(PPESG) x (11Z29 x OP)
Peach Drift x Orange Ruffels
Peach Drift x FIVI3 FIVI3 = First Impression x R. virginiana
Carefree Celebration x ADT2 ADT2 = Apricot Drift x Thrive!
Baby Love x ADT2
13-2 x Carefree Celebration 13-2 = Carefree Beauty × Golden Slippers
MMILC PINK x MMSC MMSC = Morning Magic x Strawberry Cream
Swany x Campfire
Quadra x Campfire
Quadra x MMILC1
Gaye Hammond x Canadian Shield
Prairie Snowdrift x (11Z29 x OP)
CARXLEB x (11Z29 X OP) CARXLEB = Carlin's Rhythm × Letizia Bianca
Cape Diamond x Never Alone
Country Dancer x Campfire
(GEAXGLPE) x (Outta The Blue x 11Z29)
(GEAXGLPE) x Orantida
Ruglauca x R. alabukensis
(Never Alone x (Royal Edward x Prairie Peace)) x (Pink Double Knockout x Prairie Peace)
(ATT x 11Z29) x Campfire
(ATT x 11Z29) x Never Alone
14-4 x Campfire 14-4 = Rainbow Knockout x self
(Pink Double Knockout x Prairie Peace) x OP
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Re: Harvested hips

Post: # 68357Post jbergeson
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:03 pm

Thanks for posting, Rob!

I like the Gaye Hammond crosses.

Morden Blush x Hazeldean...what does that one look like? Do you have it or did you get pollen?

Campfire, although I'm not big on it for disease resistance, can give bloom power and good color saturation. I have a Prairie Joy x Campfire that has been showing lots of color for most of the summer. Therefore your Canadian Shield x Campfire might be pretty showy...and hardy.

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Post: # 68359Post Margit Schowalter
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:17 pm

A lot of interesting crosses, Rob.
Look forward to seeing how they turn out.

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Post: # 68364Post johannesp
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:18 am

How many hips did you pollinate per cross? I try to do 50-120 hips per cross so obviously I only do maybe 10 crosses. So many crosses I would never remember!

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Post: # 68365Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:40 am

Margit Schowalter wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:17 pm
A lot of interesting crosses, Rob.
Look forward to seeing how they turn out.
Hello Margit. I have some "Skinner's Red Leaf Perpetual" F1 that are doing nicely:

1 (Playtime x Soft Legs) x SRLP
2 Basye's Blueberry x SRLP

Leaf color is not quite what I'm looking for but it's getting there. I'll be crossing F1 with each other and back to SRLP to see what I can get.

I have a Carmenetta x OP seedling that has nice leaf color and has good disease resistance so far. This one could be used to cross with SRLP and its F1. Hopefully SRLP will bloom for me next season so that I can use it again.

Are you able to receive rose cuttings or plant via mail?
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Post: # 68366Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:44 am

johannesp wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:18 am
How many hips did you pollinate per cross? I try to do 50-120 hips per cross so obviously I only do maybe 10 crosses. So many crosses I would never remember!
I don't do anywhere near the number of crosses you do per plant. Sometimes I only have one hip for a cross. It all depends on what's in bloom on given day and how many blooms on a bush.
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Post: # 68368Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:09 pm

A few more that I'm interested in:

(Never Alone x TESC) x Canadian Shield Two hardy roses there contributing genes. TESC = Take it easy x Strawberry Cream.

Rugleda x Campfire Hoping for hardiness, a good yellow and OGR bloom form.

Carefree Celebration x Campfire

(GEAXGLPE) x (Morden Centennial x Hazeldean) (GEAXGLPE)= Gental Annie x (R. glauca x R. pendulina)

((Suntan Beauty x Abraham Darby) x R. arkansana) x OP Seed from Mark Wesson I believe
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Post: # 68374Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:15 pm

I'm hoping for good things from this one:

Oso Happy Smoothie x Ann Endt This combines genes from R. setigera, polyantha, R. rugosa and R. foliolosa. I'll have a few more to post.
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Post: # 68375Post RBaxter
Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:04 am

I made an attempt to control myself this year.

Autumn Sunset x Aloha
Bracteata x Prairie Sunrise
Bracteata x Applejack
Bracteata x Jersey Beauty (possible super Mermaid)
Bracteata x Carefree Copper (dissapointng hip set)
Jersey Beauty x Autumn Sunset
Jersey Beauty x Old Blush
Bracteata x Aloha
and three more pouches of Carefree Beauty x ?? various other early bloomers because my "permanent" marker was falsely advertised.

This was my second year to try Beverly. I'm really impressed with its health, vigor, and fragrance, but I'm giving up on using it. Not fertile for me.

I was also disappointed in my Aloha hip set. It looked comical it had so many tags on it. Zilch. That's a head-scratcher.
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Post: # 68378Post jbergeson
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:48 am

As is usual for this time of year, I've got a lot of green hips and last night was our first freeze. Winter is coming. Most of my pollinations are in a greenhouse that I'm keeping shut to heat up in the day and hopefully help ripen the hips.

RBaxter mentioned Beverly. I've gotten it to set hips but the seeds are almost exclusively exogenous. I can't remember if I've gotten germination.

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Post: # 68379Post philip_la
Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:50 am

Very fun stuff, Rob. I'm not all that familiar with many of those Canadian cultivars, but the ones I am familiar with sound like they might make for some interesting crosses. And the Oso Easy Smoothie x Ann Endt definitely sound intriguing. Hoping you might get nice lavender colored blooms with that one.

I just got Beverly on a whim. From the reviews, I would have rather obtained Kordes' Wedding Bells. (Has anyone worked with that one?)
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Post: # 68389Post Rob Byrnes
Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:51 pm

Joe, I hope you get some hips to ripen.

Philip, thank you. I hoping for some good things from the Canadian cultivars. I have a few seedlings from the Canadian cv that I'm using as breeders that will go on to the second season evaluation. A nice lavender F1 from Smoothie x Ann Endt would be very nice.

Some from today:

Brite Eyes x ( Morden Blush x Hazeldean)

(GEAXGLPE) x (Morden Centennial x Hazeldean)

(GEAXGLPE) x (Morden Blush x Hazeldean)
Interesting genes in this mix. GEAXGLPE= Gentle Annie x (Rosa glauca x Rosa pendulina).

(11Z29 x OP) x Campfire
11Z29 is Prairie Joy × Knock Out

Carefree Celebration x Campfire

Rugelda x Campfire

(Never Alone x TESC) X Canadian Shield
TESC=Take it Easy x Strawberry Cream (Byrnes miniature)

Lots of genes for hardiness here.
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Post: # 68405Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:57 pm

(REPP x MMILC3) x (Morden Centennial x Hazeldean) Lots of genes for yellow here and should be very hardy.

(GEAXGLPE) x Frontenac

Swany x Campfire First season using Swany. Look forward to seeing what turns up.
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Post: # 68406Post matt lustig
Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:41 pm

RBaxter, could you clarify your storage method? It looks like a cotton ball, wet enough to hold high humidity?

Whatever it is, if it works well it might be more efficient than my own stratification method. I've typically used vermiculite for a variety of seeds (both roses and otherwise), but medium and small seeds can get kind of "lost" in it and be tough to space out well in pots in the spring.

Thanks for any helpful ideas.

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Post: # 68408Post RBaxter
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:08 pm

It's a cotton ball wetted with ±50:50 3% hydrogen peroxide and water. Baggies are left open and I rewet every now and then to keep it moist while allowing for some air flow. I haven't done any kind of study on what it does to the achenes, but it keeps the mold down and seems to let them breathe - just one of those things that made sense to me.

I'm a 58-year-old professional in a very conservative industry. The fun part is going into the head shop to buy the baggies with a fresh haircut, business attire, and sunglasses on!

Now, I don't stratify for very long. I'll be putting some of them in the ground come Thanksgiving. Down here, December is naturally wet and the temperature oscillations are the best of the year for germination.

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Post: # 68409Post Rob Byrnes
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:13 pm

Baxter, do you leave the seeds in the bag until germination or is this for storage?
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Post: # 68410Post RBaxter
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Temporary chilled storage 60 to 90 days max. When I see something sprouting I know I'm tardy, but they rarely start in the fridge - too cold.
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Post: # 68411Post jbergeson
Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:03 pm

I like the idea of allowing airflow to the seeds while keeping them moist. Oxygen seems important. I don't think I'd trust myself to keep them from drying out.

Every year I try a different method, it seems. I've never had awesome germination. Typically I shell my seeds and put them into a thin sandwich bags cross by cross which then go into a large ziploc until I've finished all my crosses and am ready to stratify. I suspect they can get slightly dried out in this time interval, which might trigger deeper dormancy. So this year I'm adding moistened activated carbon to the bags immediately after shelling each cross. My original plan had been to seal the seeds into nylon mesh teabags (which I did last year) and put them in a bucket of water with activated carbon and an aquarium bubbler to keep the water oxygenated...keep them in there for something like two weeks. But that path is becoming impractical since they're all mixed up with activated carbon, too much to fit in the teabags. Activated carbon has intriguing physical characteristics...seems to hold on to its water but remains very wet to the touch. I'm not under the assumption that it's adsorptive characteristics will help germination in this application; I'm basically just using it as an alternative to perlite in the bags. But hey, it can't be any worse than soaking seeds in straight bleach like I did two years ago.


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Post: # 68415Post RBaxter
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:02 am

Here is the abstract of a follow-up to Henry's paper on activated carbon on using Driselase, a combination of cellulase, hemicellulase, pectinase, and other enzymes to open the pericarp. Gonna get me some enzymes!

And as far as my storage method goes it might work for longer storage. I have yet to try.

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