First Impression x R.virginiana

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First Impression x R.virginiana

Post: # 67857Post jriekstins
Wed May 16, 2018 11:08 pm

Here is another Joe Bergerson effort. The shrub wants to be in a much bigger container-some of the buds are aborting. Very pretty rose.[img] Approx.3" diameter. A sister is also blooming, more petals, a bit more lavender, maybe a bit larger. Both have very attractive red stems. This one is almost thornfree.
Quite prolific blooming, and no rust.[attachment=0]FirstImpressionxR.virginiana_1044.JPG[/attachment][/img]
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Re: First Impression x R.virginiana

Post: # 67858Post jbergeson
Wed May 16, 2018 11:20 pm

Thanks, Jackie! This is a sister seedling to the FIVI3 seedling I mentioned in my recent "Spring Observations" post.

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Post: # 67860Post Rob Byrnes
Thu May 17, 2018 1:41 pm

Nice Picture Jackie. There is no rebloom, right? I'm using FIVI3. I hope to post pictures of it this spring. Extremely healthy here.
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Post: # 67861Post jbergeson
Thu May 17, 2018 6:00 pm

Here is FIVI3
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Post: # 67862Post Rob Byrnes
Thu May 17, 2018 8:30 pm

Hey Joe. Great color and bloom form. Are you going to put this one up on HMF?

I have some F1 from FIVI3
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Re: First Impression x R.virginiana

Post: # 67863Post jbergeson
Thu May 17, 2018 10:14 pm

Thanks, Rob. I don't have the ambition to put it up at the moment. If you want to, go ahead. You can use this pic. I will add more pics later.

I used this rose extensively in the 2016 pollination season, expecting that only about 1 in 6 seedlings from crosses with remontant roses would rebloom. Unfortunately the results were far worse than that; only a tiny few out of hundreds of seedlings showed juvenile rebloom. That tiny few could easily have some from selfs or stray pollen grains. David mentioned "preferential pairing", a concept that I don't completely understand.

The good news is that FIVI3's vigor and lush foliage passes well to it's seedlings. I'm hoping that some of the seedlings will have survived with enough live wood to bloom.

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Post: # 67866Post Rob Byrnes
Fri May 18, 2018 12:15 pm

I've put it up on HMF Joe. Would you say that FIVI3 is hardy to zone 3?
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Post: # 67867Post jbergeson
Fri May 18, 2018 1:51 pm

Yes, but it doesn't usually bloom in Zone 3.

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Post: # 67872Post jriekstins
Fri May 18, 2018 10:45 pm

Joe,
Here is one of two repeating offspring from FIV13. It is healthy, no rust here in Rust Central. I did discard the parent because I could not get it rust free for more than a month or two out of the yr. But I crossed it with a couple of more rust resistant cultivars and this is one of the offspring. FIV13 was really attractive with beautiful foliage. And such a nice shade of orange.[img][attachment=0]XFIV_0474.JPG[/attachment][/img]
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Post: # 67873Post Rob Byrnes
Fri May 18, 2018 10:54 pm

Very nice Jackie. Was it from a planned cross or openly pollinated?
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Post: # 67875Post jriekstins
Fri May 18, 2018 11:14 pm

Thanks Rob. It was a planned cross but something ate the top half of the label, so I am not sure what it was. I should go back to entering all my crosses on Excel but that just doesn't happen anymore. It is nice to have something to fall back on to double check. I do have another seedling but it is not a hip mate and it is not quite so nice. However, I have learned to never prejudge before the second or third yr. Things can both get better or go down the tubes in that amount of time. It is a rare seedling that remains the same.
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Post: # 67876Post Rob Byrnes
Fri May 18, 2018 11:25 pm

This one turned out pretty nice. Great color that looks like it holds.
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Post: # 67878Post philip_la
Fri May 18, 2018 11:39 pm

Joe, do I recognize FIV13 as one of the showy seedlings in a video you posted some time back, driving through your fields on a golf cart? That looked like a very attractive plant in the video, and is gorgeous in the photo.
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Post: # 67879Post jbergeson
Fri May 18, 2018 11:51 pm

Jackie: Congrats on the reblooming cross with FIVI3. Does the seedling show any of the vigor and nice foliage traits?

Philip: No, that must have been another rose unless that part of the video was in the greenhouse, because FIVI3 was unable to bloom for me when planted in the ground.

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Re: First Impression x R.virginiana

Post: # 67954Post jriekstins
Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:50 pm

[attachment=0](R.virginiana-#14)_1242.JPG[/attachment]Joe,
The plant is young-but not as vigorous nor with such good foliage as the parent. But no rust! I will give it at least until the end of this growing season to make those judgements, really. The 2nd one has better foliage and leaf but the flower color is quite the dud, also no rust. here are a couple more p[img][/img]hotos of that series blooms. (the FI x Rosa virginiana I mean.)
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FI x R.virginiana--does not stand up to intense heat, but nice flower, foliage.
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Post: # 67955Post jriekstins
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:01 pm

This one (No writing on tag, but same red stems, great foliage) seems to be a lighter version of #13. Kind of a nice apricot sherbet. Seems to take the heat well and is nicely fragrant. This is the first yr blooming for this one so it may be more prolific next yr. # 15,(pictured in first photo ) which blooms along the stem, not at the ends, is extremely prolific and has long lasting blooms. Another shrub is just starting to bloom and looks to be similar but with a more salmon tone flower. # 17 has set a lot of buds but the flowers are very slow opening and suffering from proliferation.
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Very nice flower, great foliage, no disease. Does not flower as heavily as #14,15.
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Post: # 67956Post Rob Byrnes
Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:36 pm

Very nice Jackie. Love the color
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Post: # 67958Post jriekstins
Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:29 pm

Those two photos are both part of Joe's series with FI x R.virginiana. I am using the pollen from the apricot colored one and the first pink one (again pictured here) to make some crosses this year. Will see what pans out. Will soon have a few more blooms from the crosses made two yrs ago with #13. Will also pot these up into appropriate size containers--these are large shrubs that want to bloom more than they are able in 5gal (so called 5gal-much smaller volume). They also take more water than many of the shrubs I am working with; acicularis and woodsii seem much more drought resistant than virginiana.
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