SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

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SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:15 am

Well its that time of the year again when hips start to ripen, all going well I should have seed germinating early March. The seed parent for these is Therese Bugnet.

Therese Bugnet crossed with the following

Ross Rambler 4
Archimedes
Knock out
Sutters Gold
Dr Huey
Ithaca X Atomik
Safrano
R.willmottiae X R.forrestiana
Westerland X [Charles Austin X (Mimas X R.virginiana)]
The Firebird
The Firebird X Apache

Some of the later pollinations have yet to ripen fully. For those wondering why I used Dr Huey, I think it will give some interesting colours and at the same time I think TB health will over ride Dr huey's problems.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby david zlesak » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:50 pm

Hi Warren!!!

That is wonderful!! I love Therese Bugnet because of its diverse background, hardiness, and fragrance. The red stems in winter are sure nice too. I'm excited for all the crosses you have with such diverse dads, especially Knock Out.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:43 pm

Thanks David
The reasons I used these pollinators for were certain traits which they may give their offspring.

Ross Rambler 4 - cold hardiness
Archimedes - short compact growth with very good flower production.
Knock Out - Disease resistance
Sutters Gold - perfume
Dr Huey - that deep red wine colour
Ithaca X Atomik - the pernetiana yellow/gold colour.
Safrano - Tea type roses with increased cold tolerance.
R.willmottiae X R.forrestiana - To add more species diversity into the breeding.
The Firebird - Red colours.
The Firebird X Apache - Vibrant red colours.

I hope this all makes sense, I set certain goals I want to achieve every breeding season.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby jbergeson » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:29 pm

Before I read David's comment, I was going to also mention Knock Out as a fun pollen parent for Therese. Its heavy blooming, compact habit, and strong disease resistance make it the perfect foil for the ultra-hardy Therese Bugnet.

I haven't had good luck using Therese as a parent. Maybe your warmer temps help with seed set.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby jbergeson » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:32 pm

And if Therese is a diploid and KO a triploid, maybe there will be some triploid progeny that are 2/3 KO and 1/3 TB. I think that's the perfect ratio.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:29 am

Joe results on hip set can vary from year to year, it may be caused from a slight variation in the weather or longer daylight hours, Iam only speculating.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:34 am

this is the last of my Therese Bugnet crosses
Therese Bugnet was crossed with the following.

Crepuscule
La Merveille Écarlate
Rosa willmottiae
(Wendy X Altissimo) X Blue for You

The R.willmottiae cross produced a large number of plump achenes.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:08 am

Harvested these off Frau Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1

It was crossed with these:

R.willmottiae X R.forrestiana
R.willmottiae
Ross Rambler 4
Bamako X (Sympathie X R.virginiana)
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:27 am

One for the day [(Sympathie X R.virginiana) X Elara] X Eyes for you
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:49 pm

They are starting to come in pretty fast now , seeds for today

Wendy X Altissimo (Type 2) X R.davidii crossed with the following

Sutters Gold
La Merville Écarlate
The Firebird X Hollywood Dandy
Sympathie X [ Valkeeri X (Charles Austin X (Mimas X R.virginiana))]
Nevada
Plaisir D'Amour
The Firebird X Apache
The Firebird X (Mimas X Smooth Buttercup)
(Wendy X Altissimo Type 2) X [Sympathie X (Mimas X R.virginiana)
Knock out
Curly Pink
Archimedes
Valkeeri X [Charles Austin X ( Mimas X R.virginiana)]
Bamako X (Sympathie X R.virginiana)
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby chuckp » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:50 pm

Looking good warren.
How many seeds are you expecting to harvest the year.
Do you extract the seeds by hand one hip at a time or do you use another method like the blender?
Do you divide and hold back a portion of each cross against a disaster?
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:14 pm

Thanks Chuck;
Probably around 500 or less. I extract the seed by hand as some crosses will only give a few seeds and I don't want them damaged by the blender. Sometimes I hold back some seed if there is abundant numbers.
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:24 pm

A few more for today

1/ (Baronne Ed Rothschild X Mme C Testou) X [Sympathie X (Mimas X R.virginiana)] this unnmaed seedling was crossed with the following:

Cool as Ice
Mme Lombard X Sweet As Honey
Knock Out

2/ Charles Austin crossed with the following:

Bamako X [Sympathie X (Mimas X R.virginiana)]


3/ Penelope crossed with the following:

Sympathie X [Valkeeri X ( Charles Austin X (Mimas X R.virginiana))
Knock out
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:52 am

For today

Westerland X [Charles Austin X (Mimas X R.virginiana) was crossed with the following.

The Firebird X (Mimas X Smooth Buttercup)
A seedling of Robe Fleurie X Princesse Violette
Old Port
Blue for You
Aprikola
Charles Austin
(Wendy X Altissimo) X R.davidii


Valkeeri X [Charles Austin X (Mimas X R.virgininiana) was crossed with these two.

Charles Austin X Red Splash
A Touch of Flair
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:22 am

collected 12/1/2017

Seedling Westerland X [Charles Austin X (Mimas X R.virginiana)] was crossed with the following:

Aprikola
Charles Austin X Red Splash
Smooth Buttercup


Cultivar Great Western was crossed with the following:

Apache
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Re: SEED HARVESTING FOR 2017

Postby Warren » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:55 pm

Some interesting things
The seed parent was the Hybrid virginiana H3 G40 ( U22) single bright red, and was crossed with the following.

V106 Hulthemia persica
V23 Duplex
V38 Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X Enfant Des Ardennes
V95 Rosa glauca
V122 Master Hugh (Hybrid macrophylla)

The photograph showing the amount achenes from three hips of the Hulthemia persica cross
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U22 V106 achenes from three hips
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