Rugosa Offspring and Variations

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Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:45 pm

I thought I would create this post to show the variation in Hybrid Rugosa offspring and seedlings of Hybrid Rugosa , please feel free to add.
The first two are the cross of Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X Red Ballerina. This is to show the difference of the wide leafed form and a thinner leaf form, both have excellent vigour and health.
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X Red Ballerina (Thin leafed form)
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X Red Ballerina (Wide leaf form)
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:51 pm

Another seedling using (Therese Bugnet X R. Rugosa) X Bon Silene
An attempt to breed a hardy Tea Rose type.
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(Therese Bugnet X R. Rugosa) X Bon Silene
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby chuckp » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:44 am

Warren, Those are some very healthy looking seedlings. My Therese Bugnet sets seeds very inconsistently from year to year.
I like your idea of bringing expand the range of Tea roses.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby johannes p » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:31 pm

A flower (white rugosa x Rosa woodsii) OP. Rustic yes but the petals ball at 20% humidity:(
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby doug wild » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:10 pm

Very nice Johannes!

Thin leaf form...Actually the leaves are very thin, almost maiden-hair fern like...that's why I saved it. This fall it's foliage was this color...a bonus. Should bloom next year...very vigorous and deer resistant.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:03 pm

Out of curiosity for whether comparatively smaller hips with less seeds signaled a higher likelihood of hybridity, last year I tried a little experiment. I have 6 shrubs that are rosa foliolosa x Henry Hudson crosses. These seedlings had fairly uniform leaves. They are mostly continual or bloom in flushes with somewhat medium to large varying shades of pink, 5 single but one very fragrant dbl., all with good hip set. I only picked well developed but approx. 50% smaller than usual hips from the shrubs, mixed the seeds and got way more RF X HH seedlings than anyone might need. I planted out 5 flats, 16 ea and was quite surprised at the attractive variety of leaf styles, patterns and sizes. Looking forward to many of these blooming this next yr. and will try to get down and photograph some of the leaf patterns tomorrow. Out of the 80 plants, two did bloom, double pink, nothing spectacular but they are all enjoying much health. Have potted up about 1/2 of the seedlings, all with foliage indicating some hybridity.
Love the variety of the rugosa seedings pictured above. Other than Johannes', are any of these of blooming size?
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Don » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 pm

These are all great to see. Keep mixing it up with species roses.
What doesn't kill them makes them stronger.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:28 pm

Seedling S2 T17
Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X R.tunquinnensis. The bloom isn't much but it might contribute something of value when used in breeding next year.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:58 pm

That is actually a quite nice bloom from a specie cross. I know some specie crosses do produce great first blooms but many others take up to 3+ yrs to reach their potential. Especially among the first blooms. I have posted one of my open pollinated rugosa/foliolosa seedlings. Because I recently changed cameras, I also changed the app for downloading and seem to have 'lost' some photos. Shall look for them.
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Rosa foliolosa x Henry Hudson Open Pollinated
Shiny foliage
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:09 pm

Here are a few of the thin leafed varieties-I think they might be Rosa Woodsii crosses.That would be (R.foliolosa x Henry Hudson) x R.woodsii? One of the mother plants is between two woodsii, one of which reblooms all summer long.
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This is mostly dormant-sorry about the photo quality.
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Least dormant of the thin leafed varieties. Some were just all branch,no leaf.
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Thin leafed variety-going dormant. May be a R.woodsii cross.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:26 pm

Here are a couple of the shiny leafed varieties: Rosa foliolosa x Henry Hudson Open Pollinated.
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This is definitely getting ready to go into a quick dormancy.
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Very large leafed variety,looks like it will get pretty tall. No clue to what it crossed with.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:42 pm

Did not photograph the short ones-they were pretty much leafless sticks, but the following were very green with few signs of dormancy. Also very tall or sprawling. These will be confined to pots, but they are not slowing down in the one gallons. At least one has leaf and structure of Crepuscule:
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This has a bit of mildewed aphid honeydew on it-sometimes have to take a power washer to remove that stuff. This seedling has 3 main stems all over 4 to 5 Ft long.
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Another very upright one.
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This is the top half of one that wants to climb.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jbergeson » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:21 pm

Jackie--not many thorns on that last climber.
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:04 pm

There are less than usual on the first 18", but they are there-not so thick and bristly but definitely there, and the backs of the leafs are less prickly also. What is there near the leaf nodes are not lightweight "bristles" but somewhat large thorns, if you know what I mean. (I know that technically they are all bristles but I reserve the right to differentiate)
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:35 pm

These are two Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X Bamako. One has flowered the other Iam waiting
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X Bamako
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:41 pm

These are three Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type3 X Apache
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type3 X Apache
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type3 X Apache
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:53 pm

The next three are Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type1 X Red Ballerina (Harkness). The first one has very short compact growth.
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type1 X Red Ballerina (Harkness)
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type1 X Red Ballerina (Harkness)
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type1 X Red Ballerina (Harkness)
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:58 pm

The next two are
Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X R.nitida
Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X a seedling of Ann Endt (T)
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X R.nitida
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X R.nitida
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 1 X a seedling of Ann Endt (T)
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby Warren » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:03 pm

The last two are of a Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 2 X [Disco Lemonade X ((Sympathie X R.virginiana) X Elara)]
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 2 X [Disco Lemonade X ((Sympathie X R.virginiana) X Elara)]
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup (T) Type 2 X [Disco Lemonade X ((Sympathie X R.virginiana) X Elara)]
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Re: Rugosa Offspring and Variations

Postby jriekstins » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:30 pm

Warren, Do most of your rugosa crosses do at least a short dormancy? You are in a similar temperature zone as I am, and it looks like some of my OPs will have to be forced into a dormancy-although it has been unusually warm this fall and into Dec. Your foliage is wonderful in its variety and appearance.
I have a couple very short, even dwarf maybe, crosses with a wichurana hybrid, and a couple of very lacy but fragile looking crosses with .(folksinger x(royal Edward x (rugosa alba x (J w fargo x (Donald prior x r. Arkansas) x mixed r arkansana hybrids)))) (a Henry Kuska seed/seedling) #310. That is one that bloomed as a seedling, not especially a rugosa type bloom but for sure pink. I wondered if perhaps these were not entirely compatible but kept them anyway since the next yr will surely tell me something. The wichurana cross is totally dormant, the #310 cross almost dormant and looking even more fragile right now---not at their photographic best.
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