Kordes' Firebird

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Kordes' Firebird

Postby philip_la » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:46 pm

I don't know if NewFlora is actually introducing this one to market stateside, but I am intrigued to see a mutable rose with this level of saturation that earns Kordes' highest rating for BS resistance.
I'm curious as to other folks' reaction to the somewhat shocking colors...
http://newflora.com/product/firebird-citiscape-rose/
http://www.kordes-rosen.com/gardenrose-firebird
(If the colors were to get diluted a tad in any future crosses, it wouldn't hurt much, IMO.)
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Re: Kordes' Firebird

Postby roseseek » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:14 pm

It reminds me of Chihuly without the stripes. Also like the old Judy Garland, Pinata, Joseph's Coat and Rio Samba. They sell, but just aren't for me.
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Re: Kordes' Firebird

Postby philip_la » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:28 am

I agree that it's a bit over the top. But the health rating is pretty ridiculous for a rose with that coloring, no? Those other roses might compare, but all are, from what I understand, pretty BS-prone.
(Of course, that kind of coloring, health *and* fragrance isn't happening...)
What I'm wondering is, as breeding stock, would a rose such as this have a lot of merit potentially?
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Re: Kordes' Firebird

Postby jbergeson » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:06 pm

Over the top is fine with me - I think it is gorgeous!
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Re: Kordes' Firebird

Postby philip_la » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:30 am

"...fragrance nor cold-hardiness", I should have said. ;-) Alas, I doubt it would like a winter where you are. But even if some of its traits get a little... ah... diluted in future progeny, it might be a fun parent for you to cross with something uber-hardy. I quite truthfully vacillate between loving and hating the plant from what I see online. I would have to see how well it pulls off"the look" in real life to really know if it's a plant I could live with, or a gaudy novelty to admire from afar with little more than a, "Gee, that's something..." comment. But one of my main beef with some of the roses Kim mentioned is, I think, health and garden performance. I have tried Rio Samba and Pinata on a couple occasions, and have been underwhelmed each time. They never made it to year two.
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