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by AquaEyes
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:32 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Rebloom
Replies: 7
Views: 152

Re: Rebloom

Oh, and one other thing -- there's something different about how Chinas, Teas, Noisettes, and Polyanthas rebloom. I think there's an "additional factor" that results in new growth from below a bloom cluster to "need" fewer nodes to initiate a new bloom at the end. My other reblooming old roses seem ...
by AquaEyes
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Rebloom
Replies: 7
Views: 152

Re: Rebloom

As an outsider who reads obsessively but hasn't actually done my own hybridizations, I have some thoughts. Please feel free to correct any based on your own personal experiences. 1) Garden roses are, overwhelmingly, hybrids involving multiple species, which don't necessarily bloom at the same times....
by AquaEyes
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:52 am
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: On striped roses...
Replies: 11
Views: 717

Re: On striped roses...

Just to be nerdy, I do know that there's a seed-strain of yellow/white Four O'Clocks (Mirabilis jalapa), but I haven't seen anything like that in roses.

https://www.selectseeds.com/evening-sce ... seeds.aspx

:-)

~Christopher
by AquaEyes
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:19 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Park's Yellow Tea Scented China (Siji Danhuang Xiangshui Yueji)
Replies: 3
Views: 368

Re: Park's Yellow Tea Scented China (Siji Danhuang Xiangshui Yueji)

I'm not sure exactly where this tidbit fits in, but some people think the large once-blooming false "Park's Yellow" currently in circulation may be 'Fee Opale', a seedling of 'Fortune's Double Yellow'. If so, that it falls within the Ancient China Cluster would make sense, if that cluster also conta...
by AquaEyes
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:25 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Suckers Available
Replies: 6
Views: 548

Re: Suckers Available

If you have suckers of OGRs, I'll happily pay postage to get them to me. I'm putting together a collection at a 19th Century cemetery on 50 acres just down the street from me. Suckering once-blooming OGRs are going to be planted in pockets between headstones, and later mixed beds will be put togethe...
by AquaEyes
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

I suppose evidence of R. moschata ancestry in 'Trier' is the yellow coloration. From what I've noticed while searching roses extensively for other reasons, the only old Multifloras with yellow coloration have some Noisette ancestry. The yellow Teas derived from Noisettes were more yellow than 'Parks...
by AquaEyes
Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:55 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Let's Talk About Turbinatas
Replies: 5
Views: 524

Re: Let's Talk About Turbinatas

The "Moss" class is my personal pet peeve -- it shouldn't be a class. But, since it is, I'm glad there is a distinction between the old and Modern Mosses. The Moss class is defined by a single trait -- having moss. That trait can be transmitted by breeding into other classes. If we have a class defi...
by AquaEyes
Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:40 am
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Let's Talk About Turbinatas
Replies: 5
Views: 524

Re: Let's Talk About Turbinatas

I know just a little, but it might help. "Turbinata" refers to the shape of the receptacles, and this term is often used interchangeably with both "Francofurtana" and "Agatha/Agathe" in books I've read. HelpMeFind has "Turbinata" and "Agatha/Agathe" as separate OGR classes. Some roses are tagged as ...
by AquaEyes
Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:38 am
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Erinnerung an (souvenir de) Brod?
Replies: 8
Views: 720

Re: Erinnerung an (souvenir de) Brod?

On HelpMeFind, all the descendants listed for the rose have it as the seed-parent, so it's at least fertile that way. There is a listing for OP seedlings, which MAY be self-set.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n ... lstTyp=256

:-)

~Christopher
by AquaEyes
Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:50 am
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Favorite Miniatures
Replies: 7
Views: 842

Re: Favorite Miniatures

Kim shared his mini with the 'Lady Roberts'-looking buds with me. I nicknamed it 'Baby Roberts', and it's definitely a cute little thing. Without dead-heading, it did set hips, but I didn't harvest any seeds.

:-)

~Christopher
by AquaEyes
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:55 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

That's a fascinating idea, but when I mentioned the alkalinity issue, I was thinking about an incentive for west-coast US hybridizers to give it a go. Here in NJ, the native soil is acidic red clay, so alkalinity-aversion isn't an issue. For me personally, it's the idea of making "Polyanthas" with t...
by AquaEyes
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:44 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Project for large rose hip X R. Pimpinellifolia. Questions..
Replies: 20
Views: 2073

Re: Project for large rose hip X R. Pimpinellifolia. Questio

The pentaploid 'Magnifica' is the Hybrid Rubiginosa.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4064


The Hybrid Rugosa 'Magnifica' is the triploid one.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.5558


:-)

~Christopher
by AquaEyes
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:31 am
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

Yes, that's what I meant. Polyanthas arose from combining dwarfism and reblooming from Chinas with cluster-flowering from R. multiflora. I figured that since R. moschata was also cluster-flowering, starting over again by crossing dwarf Chinas with it instead of R. multiflora would make for a new lin...
by AquaEyes
Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:03 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

[quote="roseseek"]The photos do look quite interesting, Christopher, thank you! Have you encountered any mention anywhere of George having been commercially available in the US in the past? Eugenie was sold and listed in comparisons of roses grown in the US prior to WWII.[/quote] One of the referenc...
by AquaEyes
Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:22 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

Thank you both for the info! I was actually thinking about starting further back, such as crossing something like "Dolly Dudley" or 'Oakington Ruby' or 'Rouletti' with R. moschata directly and going from there, not involving any R. multiflora but using only other Chinas and Noisettes. But I do have ...
by AquaEyes
Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:43 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

Strangely, "Secret Garden Musk Climber" got blackspot here, but R. moschata stays clean until frost. SGMC was far too cold-sensitive, and after buying it twice, I finally dug out what was left this Spring. I'll try it again when/if I move further south. But it did smell almost the same as R. moschat...
by AquaEyes
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:17 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

One other thing to keep in mind is that Pemberton was writing at the time when the rose going around as 'R. moschata' was actually 'R. brunonii'. This is one I haven't smelled, so I don't know if it has the clove scent, or just some other variation of "musk base" that is found in other Synstylae ros...
by AquaEyes
Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:29 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: Hybrid Musk Kathleen
Replies: 37
Views: 4632

Re: Hybrid Musk Kathleen

I think part of the confusion is the sort of flippant use of the term "musk" as it applies to roses. Many have used the term when describing several different species in the Synstylae group, such as R. brunonii, R. filipes, R. helenae, R. arvensis, R. multiflora, R. sinowilsonii, etc., as well as R....
by AquaEyes
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:13 pm
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: China studs and blackspot
Replies: 11
Views: 1366

Re: China studs and blackspot

'Slater's Crimson China' is triploid, as are some other old red Chinas -- but not all. For example, 'Miss Lowe's Variety' is diploid. A little while back, I happened upon a genetic study which included checking the ploidy of the roses examined, and I added that reference to those roses on HelpMeFind...
by AquaEyes
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:05 am
Forum: Rose Hybridizers Association Forum
Topic: China studs and blackspot
Replies: 11
Views: 1366

Re: China studs and blackspot

Before we blame the Chinas, remember it's a two-way street. One could also say that when European genes were introduced to Chinas and Teas, blackspot was the result. It's probably a case of different forms of resistance being broken down in the F1. Here in New Jersey, my Chinas and Teas are as a who...