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Re: Help identifying this rose

by roseseek » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:48 pm

Let's see if this is going to work. I ran across the rose thought to be Magnolia Kordana at the local grocery store yesterday. It's quite variable but it's the general apricot coloring and those petal shapes which give it away. You can see the type of plant tag used with them here.
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Re: Help identifying this rose

by philip_la » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:23 pm

Very unusual to my eye. I typical tend to think of mutable roses as having a yellow that fades even as UV light darkens the red (did we decide to call that photochromic?), or as having a red that "fades" to a purple or grey, but this appears to have a more stable yellow as the pink fades, possibly with some bluing/greying to it. (I note some photos on HMF show a hint of green tones on the outside petals.)

I presume those were grown under glass, and wonder what it might do in full sun. (I've had some miniatures really take on a very different personality when relocated to the garden.) It would also be interesting to see what different temperatures do to it too. The pale tans might be more or less pronounced in some weather/sun exposure.

(One early photo-post on HMF says it is mildew susceptible. I've always presumed that greenhouse roses were pretty vigorously selected against such. I guess they just use oodles of fungicides instead?)

Re: Help identifying this rose

by roseseek » Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:36 pm

Thank you! That is the rose we frequently see in the grocery stores in the area. They all have generic tags listing Kordes, Poulsen and Tantau varietal names so one tag works for several dozen varieties.

Re: Help identifying this rose

by jbergeson » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:37 am

I contacted the gift shop at Gothia Towers in Gothenburg. They were kind enough to contact their supplier and heard back quickly that the rose is called ‘Magnolia.’

Looking on HMF, it seems to be Magnolia Kordana.

Re: Help identifying this rose

by roseseek » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:10 am

It resembles one of the disposable potted grocery store minis we see fairly regularly here in Southern California. What gives it away is that large, scooped petal and the unusual flower shape.

Re: Help identifying this rose

by MidAtlas1 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:38 pm

There are various roses that have this color pattern of yellowish face and pink/copper reverse, which was probably found first in some of the Pernetiana class. Although there are probably other varieties with superficially similar appearance, two recent introductions that could particularly pass for this rose in bloom (notwithstanding possible size or shrub habit differences) are 'WEKdoofat' ANNA'S PROMISE (wow, that's a really terrible cultivar epithet, even for a code...) and 'WEKosupalz' ABOUT FACE/PRIDE OF CHESHIRE. However, and this would be where I might place my bet if I were a betting man, it could always be some unnamed or poorly known proprietary variety that was bred for growing as a floriculture crop to sell in containers, especially in Europe.

Stefan

Re: Help identifying this rose

by jbergeson » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:08 pm

It's very interesting when you look closely at that picture. It seems like the flowers are actually fading from pink to yellow, which is quite novel. I would have agreed with the hypothesis that it was multiple cuttings in the same pot, but several of the buds show both colors.

Re: Help identifying this rose

by Don » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:50 pm

My guess is Baby Love.

Re: Help identifying this rose

by mntlover » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:20 pm

One thought is that if you know which shop it was, you could contact them directly. Especially with a photo, they may be able to check their records to see what was available at that time.
Duane

Re: Help identifying this rose

by johannes p » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:11 pm

Rosa chinensis mutabilis could be in the background .The flowers open yellow and turn to red.

Re: Help identifying this rose

by minutifolia » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:21 pm

Hi Jjbird. What an interesting color combo. Do you think it may be a pot of, say, four rooted cuttings of two colors? Your question touches on an interest of mine. I would like to know more about the mini roses bred especially for the potted floral/gift market. I think I remember that Kordes develops quite a few. Though these roses may not need to be disease-resistant or cold-hardy due to the way they are grown and are generally scentless to boot, they most certainly must be easy to propagate own-root. Also, their foliage is attractive and they come in some arresting, sometimes even subtle, colors. Their flowers are often of that high-centered florist type that is less common in conventional minis and they seem have lots of substance to endure careless handling. Their willingness to root and bloom quickly and a possible tolerance for lower light levels might make them useful additions to our stables of breeding stock. Is there a source where I can learn more about them, or is it some kind of mysterious corporate secret? HMF is great, but I'm having trouble finding a starting point to look them up. Thanks! Brian.

Help identifying this rose

by Jjbird » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:56 pm

Hello,
I saw this rose in Sweden last year. It was on their holiday so the shop was closed. Was hoping someone knows its name.
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