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Re: Seedling

by jakaufmann » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:26 am

jbergeson wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:29 am
Regarding Highwire Flyer, I want to note that the stunning rose on the cover page of the A.R.T.S. webpage (linked to in another post) is Highwire Flyer. I hope they can look half that good up here in Zone 3. I noticed another young seedling of the same cross that also has the metallic foliage.

In other seedlings, I kind of like the spoon-shaped petals of this seedling, which comes from All the Rage. What are my chances that future blossoms will be similar? Is it worth anything aesthetically?
I absolutely love the shape of this rose! Very unique, and I love the name "Groovy!" haha

Re: Seedling

by macabreroses » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:37 pm

Your seedlings are always a favorite of mine to see 😭😭❤️

Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:27 am

Here's another Art Nouveau seedling that just opened. (x Campfire)

I think this had been allowed to wilt, which might have influenced the bloom form...will be interesting to see future blossoms.
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Re: Seedling

by philip_la » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:04 am

I wouldn't sweat the size of the boom, Joe. In fact, I would be surprised if it *could* be made much larger. Others with more knowledge will hopefully set my assumptions straight, but I don't know of any e.g. fimbriated rose blossoms that achieve the otherwise expected size. Serratipetala and Grootendorst, for instance, are both generally not more than about 2 inches across, despite being a sport of Cramoisi, and a rugosa, respectively. (Cramoisi's blooms are typically close to 25% larger than it's fimbriated sport, as I recall.)

My assumption is that the mutation stunts the petal growth. But it's still a really cool novelty.

Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:56 pm

Philip and all,

Your responses, now and previous, to the AN x R. carolina seedling makes me think I should try to move forward with that. I had been unimpressed for some reason but a blossom that odd is rare, I guess. What I'm noticing about AN seedlings with the "defect" is that the petals might not reach their mature size. I think I just have to play around with it in many directions and hope something interesting (and reblooming and hardy and healthy) pops out. That plant is out in my field and I may decide to dig it this fall in order to get more than a handful of blossoms to work with.

I'm missing my chance to pollinate all of the AN x FIVI3 blossoms that are opening on my large potted plant because of life and work demands. However, I did stick All the Rage pollen on a number of them, hoping to recover rebloom and increase petal size while retaining warm tones and some sort of striping or other pleasing oddness.

Joe

Re: Seedling

by philip_la » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:23 pm

IMO, the AN x R. carolina seedling is pretty spectacular. I've never worked with R.c. obviously, but I"m pretty impressed that she (he in this case?) allowed an offspring to inherit so much Art Nouveauness. I wonder if it could carry out another generation. Regardless, I think you really do *need* to give it a try! (Dunno if you would need to reinforce A.C. in the next cross?)
(Enjoying the Don/Joe banter, guys. ;-) )

Re: Seedling

by Rob Byrnes » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:37 pm

jbergeson wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 10:07 pm
Good eye, Don. I've notified the anthorities.
LOL

Re: Seedling

by roseseek » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:52 am

I love them! I've had few with the AN petal deformity. Most of them have traditional petals with pretty good plants under them.

Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:35 am

A couple of Art Nouveau seedlings from the past...

The single one didn't even survive the summer in the ground...can't remember the other parent.

The double one is AN x R. carolina and maybe I should try to use it. It's out in the field and isn't super robust but survives.
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Re: Seedling

by Larry Davis » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:29 pm

That Art Nouveau results is great. Shows it is heritable, not just a defect in Art N. itself.

Re: Seedling

by roseseek » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:02 pm

How fun! That's the first result from Art Nouveau with those petals I've seen yet.

Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:03 am

A few pics, probably not in this order:

Art Nouveau x (First Impression x R. virginiana)

Aged anthers turn pink on my BFY x TUSPER seedling shown above

(Gina's Rose x R. virginiana) x Miracle on the Hudson, a non-repeater

Also a fringed bud cluster of the (GR x virg) x MOTH seedling before blossoms opened
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Re: Seedling

by aimbeault » Thu May 30, 2019 8:22 am

It remind me the gallique ‘’La Belle Sultane’’, magnifique Joe!
https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.295968

Re: Seedling

by Don » Wed May 29, 2019 11:26 pm

No doubt the authorities will find them in a dumpster, emptied of their valuables.

Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Wed May 29, 2019 10:07 pm

Good eye, Don. I've notified the anthorities.

Re: Seedling

by Don » Wed May 29, 2019 8:22 pm

Seems to be missing some anthers.

Re: Seedling

by Rob Byrnes » Wed May 29, 2019 8:16 pm

Really nice color.

Re: Seedling

by Larry Davis » Wed May 29, 2019 8:14 pm

Really looks good. Winter hardy? BS resistant?

Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Wed May 29, 2019 9:19 am

Here is a new flower to open.

Blue for You x TUSPER (Tuscany Superb x Persian Yellow)

This is on a big shrub that wouldn't have been able to bloom outside so I brought it in for the winter in a pot.

Persian Yellow is somewhat doubtful as the true pollen parent of the pollen parent, since that seedling was way more disease resistant than either parent.
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Re: Seedling

by jbergeson » Tue May 28, 2019 10:38 am

Don,

...or "Scooby"

Then come up with one to call "Shaggy"
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