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Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Paul Olsen » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:34 am

As I expected, good results crossing 'Minette' with 'Hansa' and the reverse. However, 'Minette' needs a cold hardy (Zone 2) species or near species injection to toughen the progeny up for growing in a Zone 3 climate. Using Spinosissimas would perhaps result in selections comparable in appearance and cold hardiness to 'Stanwell Perpetual' and that's not a bad thing. But for something new in appearance and performance, I think my priority will be using Rosa acicularis, a neglected species for the development of cold hardy (Zone 3) roses.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:48 pm

Txs, one of nature's benefits of this location-not much black spot pressure (have/had 3 roses that go it including classic Sd'Or) but as season goes on powdery mildew starts. I have a photo taken this year I found last night that sure looks like the Minette bloom but due to a lack of geographical garden markers and no picture title I can' confirm it as from my Minette. Good luck because I encourage hybridized to put the fragrance back in roses as the status quo before people lose interest in the plant ... That's why I believe the rose became famous a.k.a is there not a famous portrait of some mad Roman Caesar drowning his dinner guest in rose petals ... Got to be careful with that fragrance of the gods as it can choke you :-)

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:09 am

Nice healthy looking leaves

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:24 pm

Not re-bloom in my opinion, just new wood off old cane resulting in a bloom - some 4 to 8 inches in length ... once blooming in my books. You can see some winter kill and self pruning.First is example and second is whole bush, one has to twist their neck, rotation an iPhone quirk.
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Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:10 am

rikuhelin wrote:The bloom is the Pickering Minette that was re-named Banshee by them in about 2009 or so. It still has blooms late in the season.
Did Banshee rebloom or are the blooms on the plant part of a once-blooming summer cycle?

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:04 am

The bloom is the Pickering Minette that was re-named Banshee by them in about 2009 or so. It still has blooms late in the season.The two hip photos are from Cornhill's Minette. Minette completed blooming about 3 weeks ago and unfortunately does not give the appearance of blooming again from new growth. These two roses are about 20 feet apart in the north facing backyard garden.

As fate would have it I never photographic the Minette blooms this year as I was riveted by an old pink HP that bloomed again close by after about 5 year (easy winter and now in drought). The Minette bloom was a different looking bloom to my memory - which can be very faulty - it appeared more ordered compared to Pickering's "Banshee" . As to the Suomi Minette, I can't say for certain they are the same looking (seem different blooms) but to me Suomi's does not look like a mislabelled Banshee.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:07 pm

second picture of second rose in sequence
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Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:05 pm

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Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:04 pm

Banshee and Minette or both the same? ... in my garden and due to 3 limit need to add another post for photo ... one clue I told a fib about Banshee blooms being ruined ... photos taken tonight zone 3
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Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Margit Schowalter » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:05 pm

Paul Barden discusses 'Banshee' in some detail on his web page.

http://www.paulbardenroses.com/main_dec.html

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Paul Olsen » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:42 am

Rob,

Yes, that HMF Roses statement needs to be updated, of course. It was a mistake to make a definitive one like it was and without any reference.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:29 am

Great pictures! It's a very pretty rose. Add hardiness and it's a very desirable rose.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rugosa » Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:49 am

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by rikuhelin2 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:09 pm

For who is looking, the only source I know of that is commercial is Cornhill Nusery for the Minette I believe Paul writes about. Of course this assumes I am not wrong. I find it interesting how I "discovered" there are "two". Back when Pickering was operating I purchased their Minette. It was "white" with some blush and balled like mad if a bead of sweat drop from your brow on a 90 degree F day. Pickering after some hard pushing by an American agricultural student in Washington - from Minnesota or Wisconsin I believe - changed the name on their site to Banshee. After a few years I decided I needed another version of Minette that might be right so I bought one from Cornhill (figuring it was just Banshee) and forgot about it after planting. A couple of years latter I found a nice pink rose, and the tag said Minette .... I naturally thought BS I mixed the tags as it did not look like Banshee. So it seems so there is a rose out there that seems a bit hardy and is pink and seems to have alba in it that maybe Minette and available. By the way my banshee blooms today are nearly all failed-balled.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:43 am

Paul Olsen wrote:'Minette' is not the same rose as 'Banshee' in Canada. The latter, of course, is notorious for the flowers balling. 'Minette's flowers in my experience don't ball. Furthermore, 'Minette' is likely much more fertile both ways compared to 'Banshee'. Using 'Banshee' as the pistillate parent, for example, I never could get it to set hips using 'John Davis' as the staminate parent. It appears I've had no problem in that respect with 'Minette' (pollination done a couple weeks ago).

Paul,

Does the following statement in HMF need to be updated:

"The rose currently available as 'Minette' is identical to 'Rosa x suionum' in Scandinavia, to 'Dornenlose Kreiselrose' (thornless turbinata) in Germany and to 'Banshee-Rose' in USA."

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:25 am

That's great Margit! Thank you for posting that slide.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Margit Schowalter » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:34 am

'Minette' appears to have a lot of healthy pollen cells.
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Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:53 am

Than you Paul.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Paul Olsen » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:49 am

Rob,

'Minette' and 'Banshee' are once blooming, but bloom for a good period of time. The shrub of the former can reach 1.2 metres in a protected area of Zone 3. The 'Banshee' shrub appears to be shorter. Hard to tell because where ever I have found it on the Canadian Prairies, the shrubs of this cultivar have been growing in one location for likely several decades and are competing with grass or other shrubs. But I know of one shrub now planted in a cleanly cultivated area in Zone 2, so I'll see how tall it gets.

Re: 'Minette' - an overlooked rose for frgrance?

by Rob Byrnes » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:53 am

Can anyone speak to Minette's bloom habit? I'm assuming it's once blooming and if so, does it have a long bloom period? Also, what is the growth habit (size)? Thanks.

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